Posted on May 24, 2017
Wisconsin DOJ Issues First-Ever Protocol for Investigating Officer-Involved Shootings
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Hard job, but accountability is critical for public trust. Wish Congress would follow suit.
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Capt Gregory Prickett Most states have a statewide law enforcement agency that can investigate any shooting or corruption within their state. Nothing earth shattering with that. However, denying any officer the right to put an incident to paper without being allowed to watch any video is crazy. Not you Capt, but being involved in a shooting, especially if it is your first one, can be difficult to remember every detail. Then when the investigation gets on its way, and Monday morning quarterbacking that will ensue. The video will not change if it exists. Why in the world should it be denied to the individual who has to write a report on it? Not exactly sure except to try and make an officer look foolish during any testimony. I can speak as to the Great State of Florida, part of the police officers bill of rights is that before you make any statements you must be allowed to see or hear any recordings or written statements. Just my opinion.
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Capt Gregory Prickett
MSgt C Madd - I wore a badge for over 20 years and started in the housing projects of a major Texas city. I'm now a criminal defense attorney. You're not understanding the point.
Do you provide those same videos to murder or aggravated assault suspects to review before you ask them to make a statement? When you have an officer-involved shooting, the officer is a murder or aggravated assault suspect. That's why they are read their rights, why they don't have to make a statement, and can have a lawyer. They are entitled to same right to view the video as any other suspect. They are not entitled to special treatment. And not getting special treatment isn't handicapping them.
Next, the number of officers killed last year wasn't excessive, and is part of a false narrative. Here are the numbers for the last 20 years:
2016 - 145 total (63 gunfire)
2015 - 141 (41)
2014 - 151 (48)
2013 - 127 (32)
2012 - 140 (48)
2011 - 183 (68)
2010 - 178 (59)
2009 - 141 (48)
2008 - 163 (41)
2007 - 206 (67)
2006 - 161 (51)
2005 - 169 (55)
2004 - 167 (56)
2003 - 154 (49)
2002 - 160 (57)
2001 - 243 (65)
2000 - 164 (50)
1999 - 153 (43)
1998 - 178 (64)
1997 - 179 (69)
Last year ranked 16th in total deaths over the last 20 years, and 6th in deaths by gunfire. Had it not been for the anomaly of 5 Dallas officers being killed in one incident and 3 in Baton Rogue, it would have been been 10th by gunfire.
It's still a tragedy when a single officer dies, but last year wasn't the worst. My second year on the job we buried 7 officers from my department - 5 shot, 2 killed chasing a stolen car.
Do you provide those same videos to murder or aggravated assault suspects to review before you ask them to make a statement? When you have an officer-involved shooting, the officer is a murder or aggravated assault suspect. That's why they are read their rights, why they don't have to make a statement, and can have a lawyer. They are entitled to same right to view the video as any other suspect. They are not entitled to special treatment. And not getting special treatment isn't handicapping them.
Next, the number of officers killed last year wasn't excessive, and is part of a false narrative. Here are the numbers for the last 20 years:
2016 - 145 total (63 gunfire)
2015 - 141 (41)
2014 - 151 (48)
2013 - 127 (32)
2012 - 140 (48)
2011 - 183 (68)
2010 - 178 (59)
2009 - 141 (48)
2008 - 163 (41)
2007 - 206 (67)
2006 - 161 (51)
2005 - 169 (55)
2004 - 167 (56)
2003 - 154 (49)
2002 - 160 (57)
2001 - 243 (65)
2000 - 164 (50)
1999 - 153 (43)
1998 - 178 (64)
1997 - 179 (69)
Last year ranked 16th in total deaths over the last 20 years, and 6th in deaths by gunfire. Had it not been for the anomaly of 5 Dallas officers being killed in one incident and 3 in Baton Rogue, it would have been been 10th by gunfire.
It's still a tragedy when a single officer dies, but last year wasn't the worst. My second year on the job we buried 7 officers from my department - 5 shot, 2 killed chasing a stolen car.
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MSgt C Madd
Capt Gregory Prickett 64 were killed by gunfire, and it was highest in 5 years. One is far too many in my book, and it's disgusting that I have to defend this point to you. I knew you were a defense lawyer, wasn't hard to figuout. Blessed are the peacekeepers, for they will be called the children of God.
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Capt Gregory Prickett
MSgt C Madd - can you not read what I wrote? I stated that it was a tragedy when a single officer dies. What part of that do you not understand?
What no one should do who is connected in any manner with law enforcement is be less than honest about the facts, and despite your protestations, the deaths were not insanely high.
Second, if you want to know what I think about police officers, try reading some of the columns I've written. I call it like I see it, and if you don't like it, too bad. I've earned the right to comment.
http://faultlines.us/fault-lines/driving-to-the-sound-of-gunfire/5379
What no one should do who is connected in any manner with law enforcement is be less than honest about the facts, and despite your protestations, the deaths were not insanely high.
Second, if you want to know what I think about police officers, try reading some of the columns I've written. I call it like I see it, and if you don't like it, too bad. I've earned the right to comment.
http://faultlines.us/fault-lines/driving-to-the-sound-of-gunfire/5379
Driving to the Sound of Gunfire
Dec. 11, 2015 (Mimesis Law) -- We talk a lot about police accountability, and we should. There are police officers who should not be police officers, who make mistakes, who should be brought to the ba...
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MSgt C Madd
Capt Gregory Prickett I have too have earned the the right to comment. You don't have to agree with me, I just disagree with your take on how officers are allowed to make written reports of the most scrutinized actions that they perform. It's the most difficult and dangerous decision that an officer can make. Usually happens at night, by yourself, and have one second to act. They should have every resource available to them before report is written. Everyone is an expert after the fact, even those not in the business. These are my opinions, with my 20+ years in law enforcement. You are allowed yours, it's America. I just disagree.
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