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Many of my friends have asked me WHY? the Navy has had the problems in the 7th Fleet area of operations. This author really does a good job of explaining one very overlooked area, sleep deprivation. and after serving in the Navy for 30 years I really do agree with many of the things he says. A very well written article. 1LT Sandy Annala PO1 Tony Holland CDR Bill Bunker CPT Aaron Kletzing MCPO Gary McMahan PO2 (Join to see) CMDCM Clarence "Frenchie" Frye @rabb
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I went to DH school with the CO of McCain. He is radio silent, as expected. As 10+ years on DDG's as a SWO, I can tell you with 100% accuracy, sleep deprivation is a huge factor.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
As a watch stander on ships and shore commands both I long ago discovered this to be the truth. As an ET at HF Transmitter Facilities and Crypto Facilities I was often standing 2/2/2 and 80 (2days/2eves and 2 mids in 5 days with 80 hours off) most of the 80 off was spent sleeping trying to catch up.
On Ships during deployments I was often 12 on and 12 off. Maybe that sounds good to some people but anyone who has done it knows better. As a CMC I was never able to get enough sleep.
On Ships during deployments I was often 12 on and 12 off. Maybe that sounds good to some people but anyone who has done it knows better. As a CMC I was never able to get enough sleep.
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LT Brad McInnis
CMDCM Gene Treants - This is my community, and it is something I yelled about all the time. If our sailors aren't rested, mistakes WILL HAPPEN. It is as simple as that. We have, for too long, revelled in this attitude that we are so tough, and now it is coming back to bite us in the keister.... When we can't get from point A to point B, without hitting the slowest moving vessels in the sea, there is a problem. Hopefully, enough of our sailors have met Davy Jones, that we can finally pull our heads out. Seriously, we owe it to the young people that sign up better... Have a great weekend Master Chief!
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I agree with the issue of sleep deprivation, and tbh was surprised, when I got surfaced, from the submarine force, how much disruption to sleep there was. But, that being said, I suspect there are a lot of other issues at play here. As many people who could have prevented this were involved, they can't all have been so zonked they couldn't see a merchant.
I too went to school with folks who had huge tragedies, Brad, so I understand the pain you feel here...
I too went to school with folks who had huge tragedies, Brad, so I understand the pain you feel here...
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Three section duty is the most brutal thing anyone invented. Still, when you.say, "I have the deck" you are responsible to the CO for the navigation and safety of the shop
So you have to be alert. I would drink copious amounts of coffee and smoke a pack of cigarettes during the mid watch just to stay alert
So you have to be alert. I would drink copious amounts of coffee and smoke a pack of cigarettes during the mid watch just to stay alert
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CMDCM Gene Treants
I agree that Three section is hard, but I have worked Port and Starboard while in the Med a couple of times and 12 on 12 off is even worse, sir. I also did that on Shore Duty in Naples when we had a new installation done at the main site in Naples and had to stip both the Transmitter and Reciever Sites for 6 months to have enough people to support the installation and training. It was rough at sea but even worse on shore duty.
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LT Robert Chrisman
36 hours at GQ was worse5 hour watches due to time zone changes were brutal. I actually enjoyed port and starboard because our CO relieved us of other duties. Pain in our feet standing on steel and a constant flow of coffee kept us awake!
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