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There are pluses and minuses to long guns and bullpup. It just depends on what you are willing to concede to. I love bullpups compactness. In CQB they are the the best (till the mag is empty) and out in the open fire fight they have the same barrel length and ballistics as a long gun. Both pluses in my book. That is about as much as I like about them. The triggers suck. I have never seen one where it did not feel like you were pulling a wet sock through gravel. The noise is twice what a long rifle is since your face sits on the chamber and is 13 inches closer to the barrel. Mag changes are a freaking nightmare where the rifle has to come off the shoulder, you have to push/pull some do-ma-flachie, dump the mag, then grab another one and stuff it in. While doing this you have to look the whole time at what you are doing or you will never find the mag well. It is a mess to watch someone do a mag change and even worse to have to actually have to do it yourself. Lefties have to shoot right handed, unless you have one of the bullpups that you can buy the kit to change it over. That is always fun to see your buddy shoot that first shot wrong handed and get pinged right in the forehead with a fast flying piece of hot brass. There are a couple bullpups that bottom eject and unless you are a masochist you have to shoot those chicken wing style or you will pile up hot brass in the small of your arm. For me I will take the extra 13 inches of barrel sticking out further.
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SGT William Howell
SGT Chester Beedle - Bullpup guys, love bullpups and I can tell you are one of them. I respect that. I have done some sales for my buddy who makes conversion kit bullpups and they are loyal to the concept to the end. Some people are willing to take the compromises for the size. The TAVOR has the best trigger of any bullpup I have shot, but I am still not really impressed. I still feel like they are sloppy and totally inconsistent because of that bow back to the sear. It is impossible to get rid of the flex. My other problem is it take 3 hands to lock the bolt back. With a malfunction like a double feed the gun is going to be out of service way too long for me. I have issue when I have to use 3 points of contact to do a clearing. That is one of those compromises I am not willing to make. They had to put the button on the bottom so it could be ambi. I am just not willing to accept it for 10 inches (Now my wife would not see it that way).
I am not a fan of Geiselle or Timney triggers that drop in. The set screw always seems to work its way lose and then the gun is useless until you dig out a little tiny Allen wrench to fix it. I found a brand that I love and it works off spring tension. When the hammer hits the firing pin it is exactly the same speed and force as a factory. It is called Hyperfire. I know the guy who owns it. He works out of his garage. He makes a everything from a 2.5 to a 4.5 pound extra power trigger for 7.62x39 ARs with the hard primers. They come with 2 sets of springs for tuning.
https://www.hiperfire.com/
I am not a fan of Geiselle or Timney triggers that drop in. The set screw always seems to work its way lose and then the gun is useless until you dig out a little tiny Allen wrench to fix it. I found a brand that I love and it works off spring tension. When the hammer hits the firing pin it is exactly the same speed and force as a factory. It is called Hyperfire. I know the guy who owns it. He works out of his garage. He makes a everything from a 2.5 to a 4.5 pound extra power trigger for 7.62x39 ARs with the hard primers. They come with 2 sets of springs for tuning.
https://www.hiperfire.com/
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SGT Chester Beedle
SGT William Howell - The Geiselle doesn't have that issue in the Tavor. Also their trigger bow doe almost completely eliminate that feeling of flex you're talking about.
Geiselle AR triggers don't use any set screws. They have the same 8 components as the standard semi auto trigger group. Hammer, hammer spring, trigger, trigger spring, disconnector, disconnector spring, and two hammer/trigger pins.
I played around with the Hiperfire at SHOT and was not impressed. They claimed it hits harder than a stock AR trigger... my uncalibrated pain meter on my thumb said not even close.
Geiselle AR triggers don't use any set screws. They have the same 8 components as the standard semi auto trigger group. Hammer, hammer spring, trigger, trigger spring, disconnector, disconnector spring, and two hammer/trigger pins.
I played around with the Hiperfire at SHOT and was not impressed. They claimed it hits harder than a stock AR trigger... my uncalibrated pain meter on my thumb said not even close.
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SGT William Howell
SGT Chester Beedle - I could have sworn the trigger was a Geissele drop in, but after a quick internet search I see it could not have been since they don't make a drop in. I was going by what the customer had told me. I guess it was a Timney or a knock off. I was not impressed with the one piece design at all.
For me I just think that if you are going to pay $1500+ for a gun that it should be perfect and not required to invest another $300-$400 to get a decent trigger. Now if I buy a $500 Anderson AR I understand that it is going to have a crappy trigger. That is a given. Again, it is what somebody is willing to compromise to own a bullpup. I am an avid WW2 bolt action collector. My wife can't understand why I would pay $1000 for an A3-03. To her it is a old used gun. To each their own.
When I worked at Faxon Hyperfire was all we used as a premium option in our top line guns. I have never had an issue with light strikes. The only thing we used in 7.62x39 guns was the Hyperfire Extra Power. You can run that and a regular firing pin and it works just fine. We would put in a longer firing pin just to make sure, but it was not needed. I was always nervous that somebody would do a 5.56 conversion and not take the longer pin out and it would cause a slam fire.
I am enjoying sharing with you even if you are a bullpup guy. Thanks.
For me I just think that if you are going to pay $1500+ for a gun that it should be perfect and not required to invest another $300-$400 to get a decent trigger. Now if I buy a $500 Anderson AR I understand that it is going to have a crappy trigger. That is a given. Again, it is what somebody is willing to compromise to own a bullpup. I am an avid WW2 bolt action collector. My wife can't understand why I would pay $1000 for an A3-03. To her it is a old used gun. To each their own.
When I worked at Faxon Hyperfire was all we used as a premium option in our top line guns. I have never had an issue with light strikes. The only thing we used in 7.62x39 guns was the Hyperfire Extra Power. You can run that and a regular firing pin and it works just fine. We would put in a longer firing pin just to make sure, but it was not needed. I was always nervous that somebody would do a 5.56 conversion and not take the longer pin out and it would cause a slam fire.
I am enjoying sharing with you even if you are a bullpup guy. Thanks.
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SGT Chester Beedle
SGT William Howell - This is the only bullpup I've ever tried that I actually liked. I've shot the AUG and the MSAR copy, played around with the FS2000, and trained with the British L85.
The TAVOR seems to be no worse than many stock ARs, either commercial or issued M4/M16. So I'm willing to accept that to have an 18 inch barreled rifle about the same overall length as a 11.5 inch SBR AR.
The TAVOR seems to be no worse than many stock ARs, either commercial or issued M4/M16. So I'm willing to accept that to have an 18 inch barreled rifle about the same overall length as a 11.5 inch SBR AR.
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We had a chance to put a X95 Tavor through a 2G-ACM match. It was an opportunity to get some practical shooting time under the clock with this bullpup, so le...
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SPC Kevin Ford
Interesting that the guy with the X95 is warming up to it. I'm not putting too much stock in the comparative scores as one shooter is better than the other.
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