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Great post. Congress paid over $15 million dollars of taxpayer’s money to victims of their abuse. Before we get all sanctimonious about Trump or Franken we need to deal with these creeps!
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Sexual assault/harassment should never be tolerated in any venue, private of public. One caveat is that way too many women (and some times men, one report on the military stated 46% were men) place themselves in positions to be victimized. Think before placing yourself in a position to be taken advantage of.
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CPO Glenn Moss
Drat...can't get this browser to reply to a user!
SFC Kelly Fuerhoff, obviously not everybody places themselves in a position to be taken advantage of. However, this is one tool that people can use to help minimize the odds of such a thing happening.
There is no one answer to the prevention of sexual harassment and sexual assault because there is no single avenue by which these things happen. And it's a fact of life, sadly, that one can take all the precautions in the world and STILL be a victim.
Personal defense, whether against sexual predation or any other form of assault, is many-layered. It starts with situational awareness and builds upon this. Probably the next most important thing is what I tell people: don't do stupid things at stupid times in stupid places with stupid people.
We can be masters at self-defense, we can be surrounded by people we "trust", we can do all the right things...and still be attacked. But that doesn't mean we should ignore these right things.
The FAULT in an assault lies with the person doing the assault. But the RESPONSIBILITY for one's own personal protection lies with the individual.
Being assaulted does NOT make one at fault for the assault. But it MAY show us a personal weakness we need to improve upon in order to better protect ourselves in the future.
As for the idiot in your experience...these was, and is, no excuse for that kind of behavior. It was most certainly NOT "joking".
SFC Kelly Fuerhoff, obviously not everybody places themselves in a position to be taken advantage of. However, this is one tool that people can use to help minimize the odds of such a thing happening.
There is no one answer to the prevention of sexual harassment and sexual assault because there is no single avenue by which these things happen. And it's a fact of life, sadly, that one can take all the precautions in the world and STILL be a victim.
Personal defense, whether against sexual predation or any other form of assault, is many-layered. It starts with situational awareness and builds upon this. Probably the next most important thing is what I tell people: don't do stupid things at stupid times in stupid places with stupid people.
We can be masters at self-defense, we can be surrounded by people we "trust", we can do all the right things...and still be attacked. But that doesn't mean we should ignore these right things.
The FAULT in an assault lies with the person doing the assault. But the RESPONSIBILITY for one's own personal protection lies with the individual.
Being assaulted does NOT make one at fault for the assault. But it MAY show us a personal weakness we need to improve upon in order to better protect ourselves in the future.
As for the idiot in your experience...these was, and is, no excuse for that kind of behavior. It was most certainly NOT "joking".
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff - You are still missing his point ... or deliberately trying to twist it. He is not putting blame on those 'victimized' ... he is simply pointing out that knowing the potential for sexual assault/harassment, one should do one's best to avoid subjecting oneself to it. It doesn't excuse the predator. It is a bit like going in to a high crime area in the dead of night and getting killed ... doesn't excuse the person that did the killing ... but that doesn't make the dead rise again. Being right sometimes isn't enough.
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MCPO Roger Collins
Thank you, exactly what was said. Kelly is an intelligent person, so the misconstruing of my words would appear to be intentional. We go back always on issues related to “bad” males.
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CPO Glenn Moss
Yes...there are predators out there. And, in my opinion, the should be treated like the dangerous predators they are.
In every situation in life, there are lessons to be learned...even when it's about the good things that happen.
I asked my kids (I have both sons and daughters) at one point "How do you know what kind of a person someone is? How they're 'good' or 'bad'?" Important, because we don't know what's inside another person's head.
This is a key question that I don't think many people consider as they're raising their kids. Being good or bad, most parents get. How to teach children to judge that in others, maybe not so well.
The answer is that we know what kind of person someone is by their actions. Even though a person CAN put forth a false front, it's the actions a person takes which reveal the kind of person he or she is inside.
The problem is that many people tend to dismiss or ignore the physical tells that a person has. And it's not just the blatant signs, either.
An honest person does not lie or steal...it gives them problems to do so. Little things, like picking flowers from someone else's flower garden are things some dismiss, but may be an insight into how that person views others and their property.
An honorable person is true to their own, freely given word. They do not violate their word unless they have no choice...and even then, they have moral problems with it.
A caring person is considerate of others. Respectful of parents/elders, mindful of other people's property, thoughtful of other's wants and needs. Thoughtless comments or jokes that hurt others likewise gives them problems.
All these things, and more, can provide powerful insights into another person's mind...if only we pay attention.
They're tools in the toolbox by which we seek to understand those around us, to help protect ourselves.
I have my own story, every bit as painful and traumatic across the board, as many other people's. I, likewise, did not ask for what I received. My own survival at one point was very much in question. But I did survive. And I took the time to figure out how I ended up were I had, what fault lay where and what my personal responsibilities were/are. That I did not ask for what happened to me did not mean I could not have avoided it.
Believe me, I tore myself up over it. But I walked away a better man for it, when all was said and done.
Your circumstances, Kelly, were/are your own. I will not gainsay them. But there ARE valuable lessons to be had. Those lessons are for you to learn.
The predators you discussed are truly that...predators that prey on others. I'm glad that you, and the others you mentioned, survived. I hope you're a stronger, wiser person for it, and I hope that better arms you for any potential future encounters.
In every situation in life, there are lessons to be learned...even when it's about the good things that happen.
I asked my kids (I have both sons and daughters) at one point "How do you know what kind of a person someone is? How they're 'good' or 'bad'?" Important, because we don't know what's inside another person's head.
This is a key question that I don't think many people consider as they're raising their kids. Being good or bad, most parents get. How to teach children to judge that in others, maybe not so well.
The answer is that we know what kind of person someone is by their actions. Even though a person CAN put forth a false front, it's the actions a person takes which reveal the kind of person he or she is inside.
The problem is that many people tend to dismiss or ignore the physical tells that a person has. And it's not just the blatant signs, either.
An honest person does not lie or steal...it gives them problems to do so. Little things, like picking flowers from someone else's flower garden are things some dismiss, but may be an insight into how that person views others and their property.
An honorable person is true to their own, freely given word. They do not violate their word unless they have no choice...and even then, they have moral problems with it.
A caring person is considerate of others. Respectful of parents/elders, mindful of other people's property, thoughtful of other's wants and needs. Thoughtless comments or jokes that hurt others likewise gives them problems.
All these things, and more, can provide powerful insights into another person's mind...if only we pay attention.
They're tools in the toolbox by which we seek to understand those around us, to help protect ourselves.
I have my own story, every bit as painful and traumatic across the board, as many other people's. I, likewise, did not ask for what I received. My own survival at one point was very much in question. But I did survive. And I took the time to figure out how I ended up were I had, what fault lay where and what my personal responsibilities were/are. That I did not ask for what happened to me did not mean I could not have avoided it.
Believe me, I tore myself up over it. But I walked away a better man for it, when all was said and done.
Your circumstances, Kelly, were/are your own. I will not gainsay them. But there ARE valuable lessons to be had. Those lessons are for you to learn.
The predators you discussed are truly that...predators that prey on others. I'm glad that you, and the others you mentioned, survived. I hope you're a stronger, wiser person for it, and I hope that better arms you for any potential future encounters.
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We are animals trying to act like spiritual beings. That is an impossible standard. For any normal human except for a few scattered threw out time.
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