Posted on May 4, 2018
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Good question. Where the hell is the NRA now? I guess they only stand up for you if someone threatens to take your guns away. Where the hell is justice for this woman!?
A pregnant black woman is in prison for defending herself. Mainstream gun groups are silent.
Posted from vox.com
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The first problem with this is that it's coming from Vox. If it wasn't a pregnant black woman who's an environmental activist, the left wouldn't even blink.
"Harvey told police that when she returned to pick up her daughter from Anderson’s home, Ra threatened her, then pulled a gun out of her car after saying, “I got something for you.”
^ If that's actually the case, then there's no argument to be had. Brandishing a firearm is a crime and it leads to other charges, like the assault charges.
"Harvey told police that when she returned to pick up her daughter from Anderson’s home, Ra threatened her, then pulled a gun out of her car after saying, “I got something for you.”
^ If that's actually the case, then there's no argument to be had. Brandishing a firearm is a crime and it leads to other charges, like the assault charges.
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MAJ James Woods
SSG Jason Werstak - And I'm merely stating by Ms. Harvey's own admission of hitting Ms. Ra's car, Ms. Ra had reasonable self defense.
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MAJ James Woods - Ms. Harvey could have hit Ms. Ra's car while rushing to get off the property with a firearm pointed at her.
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MAJ James Woods
SSG (Join to see) - Once again you're dismissing Ms. Ra's claim that she grabbed her firearm from her vehicle after Ms. Harvey hit the vehicle thus leading Ms. Harvey sped off after seeing the gun. Again you're using your bias towards Vox dismissing the possibility that Ms. Ra's statements of what happened maybe true. So yeah I would like to see more details and witness statements that were presented to the jury. Especially if the jurors were wondering "why a loaded weapon was in a vehicle with a child"; it's an open carry state so who gave the jury the perception that having a loaded firearm in vicinity of kids was an issue in an open carry state. What other misperceptions did the jury have?
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MAJ James Woods
SSG Jason Werstak - Yeah those gun rights groups didn't rush either for the Philando Castille who actually told the officer during a traffic stop that he was armed before the officer panicked and fatally shot him. Assumptions were made about him as well.
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I want to point out a few things before going further; the altercation leading up to her drawing her weapon involved her teenage niece and a friend from school...Purportedly, tensions between the two families had built over time ever since the latter assaulted the former. When the friend's mother dropped her off at Ra's home one evening, she (Ra-the accused) demanded she leave...then (depending on which version of the story you believe), threatened the friend by saying, "I've got something for you", before proceeding to her vehicle and retrieving her weapon.
As a CC permit holder, I can tell you that here in TN, if you use your weapon in an event involving known persons or family, there's a much harder standard of proof for "imminent risk" as opposed to some stranger attempting to mug you...much more so if you had time to issue a "threat". Seems to me that regardless of which "side" of this story is true, the story as presented by Vox.com might be leaving out some key details.
As a CC permit holder, I can tell you that here in TN, if you use your weapon in an event involving known persons or family, there's a much harder standard of proof for "imminent risk" as opposed to some stranger attempting to mug you...much more so if you had time to issue a "threat". Seems to me that regardless of which "side" of this story is true, the story as presented by Vox.com might be leaving out some key details.
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James-I don't think the issue is with the vehicle, but with the background of the altercation and the alleged "threat" made by the accused. For example, we had a case here in TN some years ago (I apologize for not having a reference document): A licensed CC permit holder with a legal weapon was attacked in a parking lot which happened to be monitored by video. The CC holder legally used his weapon to defend against a clear, potentially lethal attack. He fired his weapon, and the assailant dropped. He then walked over, and emptied the weapon into the attacker. End result-the shooter was indicted and jailed. The issue wasn't that he fired, but that he used "excessive" force. Furthering his troubles...he had a prior knowledge of the attacker. Not that it should make any difference...but just because the article seems to focus on it; in that case, the shooter was indeed a Caucasian.
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PO3 Steven Sherrill
TSgt Larry Johnson - That is why I have CC insurance. If I am ever put in a situation where I have to defend myself, I will have access to a lawyer as opposed to being one case in the load of an overburdened public defender.
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PO3 Steven Sherrill
LCDR (Join to see) - It is one of the case studies included in the TN permit class. Of course there are no names or court transcripts in the class, but the particulars are there.
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