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A question. Do you actually believe that there is no man made component to the climate change process, and that all the scientific studies, including the one released by the US government last week, are wrong and we are not facing dire consequences in the relatively near future? Or is it simply that you believe that the costs that are incurred to make the necessary changes are not worth The benefits of preventing the long term changes?

Another way to put it, if the actions needed to limit the production of greenhouse gases to limit the climate changes were cost free, would you still be against implementing them because you believe that the whole issue of the earth's temperature rising due to manmade factors is all an elaborate hoax pulled off by hundreds of scientists all working together for some ulterior motive? Or is it just that you think the eventual effects of the climate change are not worth doing things like paying more for electricity today?
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SGT Kevin Berman
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Until we understand natural causes, how can anyone be sure it is man made? If you would like to read more, I'd suggest: https://patriotpost.us/opinion/59654-nuggets-from-hl-mencken-regarding-the-climate-report

Joe Bastardi does a great job looking at how Mother Nature affects climate/weather.
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Susan Foster
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LTC (Join to see) - Yes, we are a contributor. According to the EPA, our contribution as a country was about 15% in 2014. Judith Curry is one of a declining few who think otherwise. Humans aren't the only contributor (so it isn't ALL our fault), but it doesn't mean we aren't doing so, and it doesn't mean we can't turn it around. Actually, I don't believe we ever will, because we are too busy denying it. Everyone/thing doesn't run on natural gas, or your point would be well taken. We have even cut solar and wind which could make a huge difference. Guilt won't help, but admitting our part as a country and jumping in to save the earth for our great-grandchildren is just a smart move if we are about the climate disasters that will grow each year.
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Susan Foster just look at Hydro One in Canada and see that people have to decide between electricity and eating because they went so greens and they shut down a natural gas-fired power plant that was almost finished in that cost a billion dollars. I'm not worried about it because I drive a 28 mile per gallon muscle car that has a V6 engine. I'll take care of my health. I don't smoke and I don't have any health issues at 56 years old but some of those environmentalist types don't take care of their bodies but they want us to take care of our air while they smoke and drink. I know it's not an easy answer but I choose to say I don't care because the technology is way better than it was in 1970 when the Environmental Protection Agency came out.
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I get tired of people concerned about saving the environment for future generations being labled as liberals. I get equally tired, and frustrated, with those who claim that industraliazed societies are doing nothing to harm the environment. I'm with the scientists on this issue and think it is well worth spending a few dollars today to prevent having to spend billions of dollars down the road to restore the environment because people refuse to pull their heads out of the sand.
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Political science not clinical science. Using voice text and I didn't check it first. Scientists need to be able to serve you with each other and not be kicked out of their field. You have to respect minority opinions because they may be right. Science has now dball2 where those who disagree with the majority are cast out of the field. That does not sound very objected to me.
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
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LTC (Join to see) Sort of agree except scientists have been getting kicked out of or severely criticized in their field forever when they disagree with the majority. Isaac Newton and Galileo come to mind.
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LTC (Join to see) - those examples of saving the environment like with car emissions only came about due to government regulation that was fiercely opposed by industry every step of the way. And one of their big points was that it would increase costs to the consumer for their transportation. Unleaded gas, catalytic converters, etc all increased the price of a car when initially implemented. But does anyone today think we should go back to leaded gas cars? Cars meet high mileage standards today only because the government requirement forced them to do the R&D necessary. The same is true for the clean air act forcing industries to clean up their plants.

Left to their own devices, companies don't give a shit about environmental impacts. Their sole function, as viewed by them today, is to make money, period. The idea the companies have any responsibility to society has long passed. They will poison anything in our environment if they can get away with it, if it means higher profits. And because many environmental issues takes decades to be obvious to the public, they get away with it.

Almost every improvement in safety and environmental issues came as a result of government regulation, not industry initiatives.
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
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LTC (Join to see) You are spot on! Heck, my first new car was a 1968 GTO and it cost around $8,000. Can anyone imagine a car with that performance at that price today? Yet I continue to buy vehicles that cost much more because the vehicles of 2018-19 are much better for the environment but only because regulations made them that way. YES, I'll pay to protect the environment for my grandkids grandkids!
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Thank you for the warning but a lot of people will not listen LTC (Join to see)
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Liberal Canada has pockets of Conservatives and even a Socialist that will fight back.

https://youtu.be/z4BzHZUzHLk
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