Posted on Jul 10, 2019
The Deepening Crisis in Evangelical Christianity
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"But there is also the undeniable hypocrisy of people who once made moral character, and especially sexual fidelity, central to their political calculus and who are now embracing a man of boundless corruptions. Don’t forget: Trump was essentially named an unindicted co-conspirator (“Individual 1”) in a scheme to make hush-money payments to a porn star who alleged she’d had an affair with him while he was married to his third wife, who had just given birth to their son."
This is one of the reasons that I now view evangelicals as primarily being composed of lying hypocrites.
This is one of the reasons that I now view evangelicals as primarily being composed of lying hypocrites.
The Deepening Crisis in Evangelical Christianity
Posted from theatlantic.com
Donald Trump
Religion
Christianity
Morals
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He definitely pushes the limits on hypocrisy, morality, ethics, regulations, and law. He reminds me of a tyrannical Roman Emperor who is seeking more power and pretends to a battle hardened person without ever serving.
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There's no "deepening crisis" my friend-at least not among "Evangelicals". Christians (like myself) voted for Trump because he was the Republican candidate, and the Democrats have time and again, demonstrated their apparent ambivalence for fundamentalist Christianity. Trump's very, very far from perfect...but neither is he a "true believer" in what many perceive as nothing less than sheer hatred for Judeo-Christian values. I know Democrats who are indeed Christians...and I know Republicans who probably aren't. However, I know few Democrats who, regardless of their personal beliefs, don't appear willing to allow their leaders to assume ever greater powers over the province of our minds and souls. I'll vote for the man again this time around...and hope someone comes along in 2024, but at this point, I feel like we're just holding back the tide.
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Capt Gregory Prickett
LCDR Joshua Gillespie - first, if you don't tag me, I don't get notified and may not see the post to respond.
Second, I refused to vote for Trump because he's immoral. He's a con man, he doesn't pay his bills, he lies constantly, and he appears to put his own interests above those of the country. And evangelicals, who have made morality an issue in election after election, went silent on it with Trump.
There was no discussion by most evangelicals about the serial infidelity of Trump, nor of the alleged sexual assaults by him, including the repeated rape of a 13-year old by Trump at Jeffrey Epstein's place. Not a world from evangelicals, but the hypocrisy has been pointed out, over and over again. Rex Reed, one of the leaders of the evangelical movement, repeatedly says that the opposition to Bill Clinton wasn't based on moral issues--except at the time, he said it was. Now he says that it was based on obstruction of justice and abuse of power, while he completely ignores those same issues from Trump.
You can justify your support of Trump however you want, and you can use various apologetics to justify the evangelical support. I don't have to accept that explanation, however, and I don't, along with many others. We see it as hypocrisy, as turning away from core beliefs solely to gain political power. It means that we now laugh when an evangelical tries to claim the moral high ground...
Second, I refused to vote for Trump because he's immoral. He's a con man, he doesn't pay his bills, he lies constantly, and he appears to put his own interests above those of the country. And evangelicals, who have made morality an issue in election after election, went silent on it with Trump.
There was no discussion by most evangelicals about the serial infidelity of Trump, nor of the alleged sexual assaults by him, including the repeated rape of a 13-year old by Trump at Jeffrey Epstein's place. Not a world from evangelicals, but the hypocrisy has been pointed out, over and over again. Rex Reed, one of the leaders of the evangelical movement, repeatedly says that the opposition to Bill Clinton wasn't based on moral issues--except at the time, he said it was. Now he says that it was based on obstruction of justice and abuse of power, while he completely ignores those same issues from Trump.
You can justify your support of Trump however you want, and you can use various apologetics to justify the evangelical support. I don't have to accept that explanation, however, and I don't, along with many others. We see it as hypocrisy, as turning away from core beliefs solely to gain political power. It means that we now laugh when an evangelical tries to claim the moral high ground...
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LCDR Joshua Gillespie
Capt Gregory Prickett - My apologies; here's the "tag". Ok, I'll make my closing statements and perhaps we can just agree that we'll never agree on this one.
I wouldn't classify Mr. Trump as a poster-boy for morality, but you've run off a list of accusations ranging from the obscure to the specific...few of which, are indisputable fact as I understand the meaning of the words. Infidelity? Yes-I'd say he's guilty of that; but neither of us are privy to any reconciliations temporal or spiritual he's made for it. A "con man"? Perhaps; but honestly, I can't think of any specific examples at the moment. Rape of a child? I'll honestly be pretty surprised if that turns out to be anything other than the desperate claims of a perverse man whose been caught in his crimes. However, I'll agree that if true, that would be enough to lose him the support of many...myself included (it still wouldn't be enough to convince me to vote Democrat though). As to placing his own interests above the country...in what ways exactly; by making policy decisions that have improved the economy, benefited national security, and restored national dignity? To be perfectly frank with you Gregory, I think if someone suggested that Trump was D.B. Cooper and Jack the Ripper, some Leftist somewhere would latch on to it.
As to turning away from core beliefs; forgive me, but the irony in that statement is so obvious, I can't think of a more appropriate response than those I've already made.
I don't think either of us have swayed the other in the least...neither am I convinced we ever could, so I'll thank you once again for a good debate, and leave it at that.
I wouldn't classify Mr. Trump as a poster-boy for morality, but you've run off a list of accusations ranging from the obscure to the specific...few of which, are indisputable fact as I understand the meaning of the words. Infidelity? Yes-I'd say he's guilty of that; but neither of us are privy to any reconciliations temporal or spiritual he's made for it. A "con man"? Perhaps; but honestly, I can't think of any specific examples at the moment. Rape of a child? I'll honestly be pretty surprised if that turns out to be anything other than the desperate claims of a perverse man whose been caught in his crimes. However, I'll agree that if true, that would be enough to lose him the support of many...myself included (it still wouldn't be enough to convince me to vote Democrat though). As to placing his own interests above the country...in what ways exactly; by making policy decisions that have improved the economy, benefited national security, and restored national dignity? To be perfectly frank with you Gregory, I think if someone suggested that Trump was D.B. Cooper and Jack the Ripper, some Leftist somewhere would latch on to it.
As to turning away from core beliefs; forgive me, but the irony in that statement is so obvious, I can't think of a more appropriate response than those I've already made.
I don't think either of us have swayed the other in the least...neither am I convinced we ever could, so I'll thank you once again for a good debate, and leave it at that.
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Capt Gregory Prickett
LCDR Joshua Gillespie - I can lay out evidence on all of these.
Infidelity: He was banging Stormy Daniels while his current wife was pregnant, and he started banging his current wife while still married to his previous wife.
Con man: Found liable in court for fraud to the tune of $25 million, the Trump University case.
Not paying bills: Banks won't loan him money, with the exception of a foreign bank which has had problems due to money laundering in the past. The City of El Paso is owed almost half a million by Trump, who has made no effort to pay it. There are nine other cities in the same boat.
Child rape: The allegation did not come from Epstein or any other man, it came from a lawsuit filed by the victim, who was 13 when she alleges that she was raped by Trump. Included in the filings was a witness affidavit corroborating the assault. It was dropped after the victim received numerous death threats.
Sexual assault in general: There are more credible allegations against Trump than there were against Bill Clinton, and many are very detailed.
Evangelicals never look into any of the above, because to do so would make them face the facts about Trump and they don't want to do that. They want to be willfully ignorant of the type of man that he is, and they want to use him to forward their own political agenda. It's hypocritical, and it's one of he reasons that I don't believe what evangelicals (in general) say.
Finally, I said nothing about voting Democratic Party, I have never voted for a Democrat for president, nor do I believe I ever would. And a Leftist might very well latch on to any allegation against Trump, but I've never been part of the Left.
Infidelity: He was banging Stormy Daniels while his current wife was pregnant, and he started banging his current wife while still married to his previous wife.
Con man: Found liable in court for fraud to the tune of $25 million, the Trump University case.
Not paying bills: Banks won't loan him money, with the exception of a foreign bank which has had problems due to money laundering in the past. The City of El Paso is owed almost half a million by Trump, who has made no effort to pay it. There are nine other cities in the same boat.
Child rape: The allegation did not come from Epstein or any other man, it came from a lawsuit filed by the victim, who was 13 when she alleges that she was raped by Trump. Included in the filings was a witness affidavit corroborating the assault. It was dropped after the victim received numerous death threats.
Sexual assault in general: There are more credible allegations against Trump than there were against Bill Clinton, and many are very detailed.
Evangelicals never look into any of the above, because to do so would make them face the facts about Trump and they don't want to do that. They want to be willfully ignorant of the type of man that he is, and they want to use him to forward their own political agenda. It's hypocritical, and it's one of he reasons that I don't believe what evangelicals (in general) say.
Finally, I said nothing about voting Democratic Party, I have never voted for a Democrat for president, nor do I believe I ever would. And a Leftist might very well latch on to any allegation against Trump, but I've never been part of the Left.
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LTC (Join to see)
Just leave. Take your Prius and you are free to go. You don’t have one positive post on RP. You are simply a small negative person full of hate. Take that hate out of here. Capt Gregory Prickett
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Capt Gregory Prickett
amazing every word of what you just said was wrong
amazing every word of what you just said was wrong
LTC (Join to see) - Well, your track record is still consistent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sRS1dwCotw
But for the record, I drive an S60 Volvo, and would never own a Prius. Second, all of my posts are positive in nature, unless, of course, you are a lying hypocritical evangelical who doesn't want to be exposed. Next, I don't hate anything--calling out the flaws in positions is a long-term Christian way of doing business.
But for the record, I drive an S60 Volvo, and would never own a Prius. Second, all of my posts are positive in nature, unless, of course, you are a lying hypocritical evangelical who doesn't want to be exposed. Next, I don't hate anything--calling out the flaws in positions is a long-term Christian way of doing business.
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