Posted on Feb 8, 2020
Top Navy SEAL officer to resign after apparent disagreements with Trump - Business Insider
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"At the pleasure of the president," means exactly that. The president can do what he wants in these matters, and traditionally officers who disagree immediately resign. I'm sure Commander Greene did not allow his subordinates to second guess him, either.
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LTC Lee Bouchard
If the President, or your C.O., asks for your opinion you can tactfully share a different point of view and that is ok. This should be a private conversation and (not a public one).
Don't sound insubordinate but offer you opinion in the most constructive way possible.
Never under cut your C.O. or express your point of view behind his/her back. Everyone I saw who didn't follow these simple rules lost their jobs.
Sr. Officers and NCO usually have strong opinion's about their branch of service and members of their commands. There are some strong debates over the Presidents decision and the Seal community seems split on this issue. Tough call on both sides.
Don't sound insubordinate but offer you opinion in the most constructive way possible.
Never under cut your C.O. or express your point of view behind his/her back. Everyone I saw who didn't follow these simple rules lost their jobs.
Sr. Officers and NCO usually have strong opinion's about their branch of service and members of their commands. There are some strong debates over the Presidents decision and the Seal community seems split on this issue. Tough call on both sides.
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No matter how one slices it, the President of the United States whoever He or She is, is the Commander In Chief and as such ALL military leaders report upwards to him or her... President Trump made a decision, not favored by this Top Navy Admiral... It is his prerogative to stay or leave...and this Admiral has chosen to leave... That is his call... In my view it is the right thing for him, but perhaps not for our Country... He failed to respect the rights and obligations of his Commander in Chief... just saying...
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Trump is using 3 pardoned service members for his campaign. It makes me wonder what his motives are. If generals dislike Trump, I expect them to fall on their swords and quit like Mattis did.
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MAJ Ken Landgren -
If you have seen my previous posts, then you would know I am an Independent that leans conservative. Trump was not my ideal candidate and I would not have voted for him if there was a better alternative to who was running, the legacy of the Obama Presidency, and Hillary. There are many things he does and says that I don't agree with and there are many things he does and says that I do agree with.
When it comes to the things I agree with, I will point out the facts as they are known. We were talking about the delay of paying out funds to Ukraine. You made several statements that were erroneous and I provided links for you to read and confirm the info.
You seem to be perturbed about the legality of "sending a special message" to Congress about delaying the release of the funds. While it is right to question Trump's motives, I am pointing out that the same politicians who appear outraged and voted to impeach Trump are the same politicians who vowed to impeach Trump last year and the year before based on "facts" and news articles that have been called into question by the House and Senate Intelligence commissions.
I am also pointing out that under Obama, the GAO found the admin violated a number of laws. No Democrat in the Senate or Congress tried to impeach or censure him.
As for facts, you did not check your own post regarding the Veterans Charity fund. I provided a link for Snopes which is not known for going easy on Trump.
If you have seen my previous posts, then you would know I am an Independent that leans conservative. Trump was not my ideal candidate and I would not have voted for him if there was a better alternative to who was running, the legacy of the Obama Presidency, and Hillary. There are many things he does and says that I don't agree with and there are many things he does and says that I do agree with.
When it comes to the things I agree with, I will point out the facts as they are known. We were talking about the delay of paying out funds to Ukraine. You made several statements that were erroneous and I provided links for you to read and confirm the info.
You seem to be perturbed about the legality of "sending a special message" to Congress about delaying the release of the funds. While it is right to question Trump's motives, I am pointing out that the same politicians who appear outraged and voted to impeach Trump are the same politicians who vowed to impeach Trump last year and the year before based on "facts" and news articles that have been called into question by the House and Senate Intelligence commissions.
I am also pointing out that under Obama, the GAO found the admin violated a number of laws. No Democrat in the Senate or Congress tried to impeach or censure him.
As for facts, you did not check your own post regarding the Veterans Charity fund. I provided a link for Snopes which is not known for going easy on Trump.
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MAJ Ken Landgren
ok you know what? Instead of going round and round about the delay of funds let’s go straight at the fact not all the funds were given to Ukraine. That is illegal. Keep telling yourself that Trump is innocent of misappropriating charity funds. He even admitted to misusing veterans charity funds.
We must reading different versions of the Impound Control Act. I will paste the ICA. Nowhere does it state a president can impound funds unilaterally.
The President has no unilateral authority to impound funds. The Impoundment Control Act of 1974 (ICA) allows the President to impound funds when he transmits a "special message" in accordance with the ICA. Upon sending the message, amounts proposed for rescission (that is, for permanent cancellation) may be impounded for a period of 45 days of continuous congressional session. MSG (Join to see)
We must reading different versions of the Impound Control Act. I will paste the ICA. Nowhere does it state a president can impound funds unilaterally.
The President has no unilateral authority to impound funds. The Impoundment Control Act of 1974 (ICA) allows the President to impound funds when he transmits a "special message" in accordance with the ICA. Upon sending the message, amounts proposed for rescission (that is, for permanent cancellation) may be impounded for a period of 45 days of continuous congressional session. MSG (Join to see)
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MAJ Ken Landgren -
I don't know if you are actually reading any of the news articles that I have attached above, but it covers it. The funds were given to Ukraine and what wasn't spent during the last fiscal year was extended by the Senate to be given to Ukraine. That is not illegal.
Also, read the article from Snopes, Trump did not misappropriate funds from the Veterans charity.
As for the ICA, I have stated several times that while there is cause to investigate why Trump delayed the funds, they were not "permanently impounded" which is the subject of the 45 day period. The funds were released before the end of the fiscal year and the small remainder was extended by the Senate.
Please read the below link.
https://www.gao.gov/products/b-330330.1
I don't know if you are actually reading any of the news articles that I have attached above, but it covers it. The funds were given to Ukraine and what wasn't spent during the last fiscal year was extended by the Senate to be given to Ukraine. That is not illegal.
Also, read the article from Snopes, Trump did not misappropriate funds from the Veterans charity.
As for the ICA, I have stated several times that while there is cause to investigate why Trump delayed the funds, they were not "permanently impounded" which is the subject of the 45 day period. The funds were released before the end of the fiscal year and the small remainder was extended by the Senate.
Please read the below link.
https://www.gao.gov/products/b-330330.1
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