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Some golden nuggets on leadership in regard to the USS Theodore Roosevelt fiasco.
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Coronavirus COVID19
Posted 4 y ago
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The skipper identified a growing threat to his crew and ship. He probably made the assumption that unchecked, the threat could be catastrophic. He was having casualties and knew he would get more. I think now there are 500 sailors from that ship with COVID-19. Here are some questions, how many casualties will make the ship non-mission capable? If the ship was taking on many casualties, shouldn't the skipper have latitude to mitigate that? What if the ship had 1000 or 2000 infections? It's a very open ended when it comes down to the magnitude of the threat.
I really don't know what the navy brass told the skipper, and I don't think he was playing Mr. Nice Guy either. I think he had a genuine concern for his crew. The CPT was wrong, but he did shape the direction of the status of the ship. Irony is the navy did what the skipper suggested. I would have asked to be relieved of command, but right or wrong he took another tack. This should be a valuable learning lesson as I have read this is not an isolated problem in the navy. He was wrong how he approached it, he fell on his sword, the navy is now having to address this problem. I still hold the skipper in high regard. It took a lot of moral courage to do what he did. I also don't think someone with 7 years in the navy should be given the drivers seat to be the Secretary of the Navy.
I really don't know what the navy brass told the skipper, and I don't think he was playing Mr. Nice Guy either. I think he had a genuine concern for his crew. The CPT was wrong, but he did shape the direction of the status of the ship. Irony is the navy did what the skipper suggested. I would have asked to be relieved of command, but right or wrong he took another tack. This should be a valuable learning lesson as I have read this is not an isolated problem in the navy. He was wrong how he approached it, he fell on his sword, the navy is now having to address this problem. I still hold the skipper in high regard. It took a lot of moral courage to do what he did. I also don't think someone with 7 years in the navy should be given the drivers seat to be the Secretary of the Navy.
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Capt Gregory Prickett
SPC Nancy Greene - according to the acting SecNav at the time, Trump wanted the captain fired. Modly told a number of people at the Pentagon that, supposedly prior to firing Crozier.
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SPC Nancy Greene
Seems this story has been ‘blasted’ in the news & hopefully, the final results will not ruin this Sailor’s career...Trump sounded sincere when he stated he would look into this matter. Still haven’t heard anything yet.Capt Gregory Prickett
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MAJ Ken Landgren
I have contemplated why Modly visited the ship ship and spoke ill of the fired skipper. My conclusion is he wanted to give the strategic message that he is a no nonsense leader of the navy, but he was perceived as petty and vindictive. Capt Gregory Prickett
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MAJ Ken Landgren
I hope you are right. He did a balancing act of continuing the mission or fighting for his sailors. I am going to assume the navy will not punish him further considering the immense black eye it got. Yes he went outside his COC, but respect that he had the moral courage to fight for his crew. The last I read, 500 sailors from that ship have COVID-19. He identified a fast moving threat. I think possibly he cogitated possibly the mission was doomed either way he chose. I would like to know what the navy brass told him when he first contacted them. It is apparent that he did not like what he heard. If nothing else, I hope they will let him retire in peace. SPC Nancy Greene
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He makes some valid points, but I'll also point out that some are invalid. If the Captain was going to be relieved, an investigation would have shown that need. There was no reason for the SecNavy to jump in and relieve the skipper immediately because Trump wanted him fired. And there was definitely not a reason to jump on a C-37B (Gulfstream 550) in order to chew out the crew for supporting their captain. Especially not at the cost of a quarter of a million dollars.
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MSgt Steve Sweeney
SGM Bill Frazer - I doubt that is the case - "the ENTIRE intelligence committee wanted him to hang" - especially given that the Vice CNO sent out the following guidance two days before Crozier sent his letter:
"There are times that you will need to push back on operational requirements. There are times that you may need to go to an installation commander for places to house your Sailors because you cannot effectively isolate your personnel. There are times when they may not be able to help. We want these decisions to be fact-based, and not emotionally-driven. If you’re not getting what you need, don’t suffer in silence, get the word up the chain. Above all, and I want you to hear this from me and the CNO, WE HAVE YOUR BACK. When in doubt, lean forward and lead." - Adm. Robert P. Burke
And if you read the letter Crozier sent, you can see there is nothing classified in the letter. The location of Navy capital ships is not classified. The Navy Times and USNI put out updates on the locations of capital vessels weekly.
"There are times that you will need to push back on operational requirements. There are times that you may need to go to an installation commander for places to house your Sailors because you cannot effectively isolate your personnel. There are times when they may not be able to help. We want these decisions to be fact-based, and not emotionally-driven. If you’re not getting what you need, don’t suffer in silence, get the word up the chain. Above all, and I want you to hear this from me and the CNO, WE HAVE YOUR BACK. When in doubt, lean forward and lead." - Adm. Robert P. Burke
And if you read the letter Crozier sent, you can see there is nothing classified in the letter. The location of Navy capital ships is not classified. The Navy Times and USNI put out updates on the locations of capital vessels weekly.
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SGM Bill Frazer - you wrote, “even the Taliban rads the papers and social media. And here is a full O-6 telling the world that 1 of the 4-6 CVN's of America is combat ineffective and can't do their mission.... Nowhere does it say or he that he went up the Chain of Command”.
The Navy publicly announced on March 24 that there were several cases of covid-19 on the TR. On March 25, the Navy publicly announced that a first group of sailors needed to be evacuated from the ship due to the virus. On March 27, the Navy publicly announced that the TR had docked in Guam and the virus outbreak was growing. On March 29, the Navy publicly announced that the outbreak was spreading, and sailors would be kept pier-side. Etc, etc.
The Navy did a pretty good job of letting the world know that the TR was sidelined and wouldn’t be doing its’ mission. If The Navy publicly announcing that the ship being docked (unscheduled) during the middle of a deployment due to a novel virus outbreak and that it was continuing to spread and sailors were being evacuated/quarantined isnt informing the world of its current combat ineffectiveness, I’m really not sure what is.
Also, in Modly’s public statement announcing the the Captain had been relieved, Modly stated that, “The fact that he wrote the letter up to his chain of command to express his concerns would absolutely not result in any type of retaliation”.
Not only did Modly acknowledge that the Captain utilized the chain of command; he did so having previously directly instructed Crozier to violate the CoC on this matter. (A course of action that Crozier didn’t pursue).
During an interview on April 3, Modly stated, “I think sort of most disappointing to me is that I had set up a direct line to him that if he felt that anything, way before his letter was written, that if he felt anything wasn’t going well and he needed help, that he could reach out to me directly. And he did not do that.“
Croziers actions certainly weren’t text book, but they certainly weren’t illegal. Nothing in his memo was classified. Will he command a ship again? I highly doubt it. Will he face any UCMJ? I doubt that even more.
The Navy publicly announced on March 24 that there were several cases of covid-19 on the TR. On March 25, the Navy publicly announced that a first group of sailors needed to be evacuated from the ship due to the virus. On March 27, the Navy publicly announced that the TR had docked in Guam and the virus outbreak was growing. On March 29, the Navy publicly announced that the outbreak was spreading, and sailors would be kept pier-side. Etc, etc.
The Navy did a pretty good job of letting the world know that the TR was sidelined and wouldn’t be doing its’ mission. If The Navy publicly announcing that the ship being docked (unscheduled) during the middle of a deployment due to a novel virus outbreak and that it was continuing to spread and sailors were being evacuated/quarantined isnt informing the world of its current combat ineffectiveness, I’m really not sure what is.
Also, in Modly’s public statement announcing the the Captain had been relieved, Modly stated that, “The fact that he wrote the letter up to his chain of command to express his concerns would absolutely not result in any type of retaliation”.
Not only did Modly acknowledge that the Captain utilized the chain of command; he did so having previously directly instructed Crozier to violate the CoC on this matter. (A course of action that Crozier didn’t pursue).
During an interview on April 3, Modly stated, “I think sort of most disappointing to me is that I had set up a direct line to him that if he felt that anything, way before his letter was written, that if he felt anything wasn’t going well and he needed help, that he could reach out to me directly. And he did not do that.“
Croziers actions certainly weren’t text book, but they certainly weren’t illegal. Nothing in his memo was classified. Will he command a ship again? I highly doubt it. Will he face any UCMJ? I doubt that even more.
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SPC Nancy Greene
Tend to agree with you! Especially since I heard the POTUS state he was going to’look into this’!SGT (Join to see)
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