Posted on Apr 28, 2020
U.S. coronavirus deaths now surpass fatalities in the Vietnam War — National Geographic
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As some on RP have suggested, this is a disease and people die everyday. Coronavirus is just getting rid of the people who are less fortunate in one way or another. Opening up the US economy is more important. I call BS on that point of view.
U.S. coronavirus deaths now surpass fatalities in the Vietnam War — National Geographic
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That is quite somber news. I feel the mortality cases will accelerate as we open up states. If we don't have proper testing it will become like a herd approach and it will run its course.
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MAJ Ken Landgren
Sgt John Steinmeier - We have slowed down COVID-19 with social distancing, but it will pick up as we open states if the control measures are the same.
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Sgt John Steinmeier
MAJ Ken Landgren - There will be a moderate spike. Speaking from my perspective on where I live (roughly 3 million people) up until the last 2 weeks short of offices, dining in restaurants, and schools being closed I saw no significant drop off in people going out and about and no "social distancing." Two weeks ago they started mapping 6 foot spaces for lines and the like and people still don't adhere to it.
Based upon the data I have been collecting since April 1, that first week in April was "the spike" for my area. Since then it has slowly dipped and rose day to day, but nothing like the first week. Overall .08% of the population with confirmed cases and .003% in deaths. There is a County in my State with ONE confirmed case and no deaths. Why should that County not go back full on? The "one size fits all approach" of this at this point is stupid.
Based upon the data I have been collecting since April 1, that first week in April was "the spike" for my area. Since then it has slowly dipped and rose day to day, but nothing like the first week. Overall .08% of the population with confirmed cases and .003% in deaths. There is a County in my State with ONE confirmed case and no deaths. Why should that County not go back full on? The "one size fits all approach" of this at this point is stupid.
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MAJ Ken Landgren
Sgt John Steinmeier - I think the spike will be significant. If we don't have a robust testing program the infected will infect others. It will be like fighting the Taliban. We don't where they are, what they look like, and where they will strike. Sweden has been relatively open and their number of cases and mortality rates are much higher than comparably population sized countries who practiced social distancing.
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MAJ Ken Landgren
I am concerned about the country as a whole. When the pandemic started in the US it was somewhat localized. However, every state has infected people. The footprint is much larger now. Sgt John Steinmeier
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There are many categories of death, every year in the US that surpass the deaths in the Vietnam War. Below is a list of the major causes of death (from CDC). We have about 2.8 million a year in the US. The causes below are about 2.0 million of the total.
Comparing deaths in a pandemic to a war is nonsensical and really tells us nothing. It is another throw away line from the chicken little crowd.
So, it is a fact that people do die every day. I hope we can agree on that one. I've not heard anyone on here say that COVID 19 only kills people that are "less fortunate". If you look at the stats, age and other morbidity issues (many of which are on the list below) do increase your chances significantly of dying if you catch the virus.
Opening up the economy is very important. People will lose their livelihood which can lead to suicide which is on the list too. We also know people are not getting treatment right now for other things that might ultimately cause them suffering or death. Many hospitals in the US are letting staff go right now due to no patients in house
As usual, your choice is a false choice it is not either we stay sheltered or we open the economy. We can be smart and do both. We need to protect the elderly and those with other health issues by quarantining them. A study below by the CDC shows risk categories, by age, other factors etc. It is hitting those at retirement age already much harder than younger people. Getting young, healthy people back to work is the smart thing to do. Causing ongoing damage to the economy, people's livelihood and the countries economic health is nonsensical based upon what we know now about the virus.
Heart disease: 647,457
Cancer: 599,108
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
Diabetes: 83,564
Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 50,633
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6915e3.htm?s_cid=mm6915e3_w
Comparing deaths in a pandemic to a war is nonsensical and really tells us nothing. It is another throw away line from the chicken little crowd.
So, it is a fact that people do die every day. I hope we can agree on that one. I've not heard anyone on here say that COVID 19 only kills people that are "less fortunate". If you look at the stats, age and other morbidity issues (many of which are on the list below) do increase your chances significantly of dying if you catch the virus.
Opening up the economy is very important. People will lose their livelihood which can lead to suicide which is on the list too. We also know people are not getting treatment right now for other things that might ultimately cause them suffering or death. Many hospitals in the US are letting staff go right now due to no patients in house
As usual, your choice is a false choice it is not either we stay sheltered or we open the economy. We can be smart and do both. We need to protect the elderly and those with other health issues by quarantining them. A study below by the CDC shows risk categories, by age, other factors etc. It is hitting those at retirement age already much harder than younger people. Getting young, healthy people back to work is the smart thing to do. Causing ongoing damage to the economy, people's livelihood and the countries economic health is nonsensical based upon what we know now about the virus.
Heart disease: 647,457
Cancer: 599,108
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
Diabetes: 83,564
Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 50,633
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6915e3.htm?s_cid=mm6915e3_w
Hospitalization Rates and Characteristics of Patients Hospitalized ...
The Coronavirus Disease 2019–Associated Hospitalization Surveillance Network (COVID-NET) was implemented to produce robust, weekly, age-stratified COVID-19–associated hospitalization rates.
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MSgt Neil Greenfield
Scientists warn worse pandemics on the way if we keep destroying the environment — New York Post
COVID-19 is the fault of humans and even deadlier pandemics will afflict the planet if our environment is not protected, it’s claimed. Scientists warned in a report published this week that a single species was responsible for the coronavirus crisis – and it’s not the bat-kind. The apocalyptic warning comes as the number of known coronavirus infections surged past three million with more than 212,000 dead. The new report was published by...
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Cpl Jeff N.
MSgt Neil Greenfield - The article is making the case against globalism, migration, travel, population growth and the like. While I can agree that the nature of global travel and migration may have caused the spread to be more rapid, there is no scientific evidence this virus was created/caused by anything they mention in the article. You have really two competing theories on the virus cause.
1. It came from humans consuming bats from a wet market that were infected
2. There was a contamination at the Wuhan virology lab while the virus was being tested/worked on etc.
Neither of these causes has anything to do with the articles premise. It is another alarmist write up unsupported by science.
1. It came from humans consuming bats from a wet market that were infected
2. There was a contamination at the Wuhan virology lab while the virus was being tested/worked on etc.
Neither of these causes has anything to do with the articles premise. It is another alarmist write up unsupported by science.
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I call BS on your BS. If you don't have a livelihood you might as well be dead. If we stick our head in the sand until a vaccine is available there will be nothing to come back to. Claiming people who just want to go back to work lack empathy is offensive. Lives are important, the economy is important, the two are not mutually exclusive and pretending they are is disingenuous.
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CMSgt (Join to see)
MCPO Roger Collins - Jerry Nadler endorses you comments.
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/04/29/nadler-thousands-more-will-die-if-trump-rushes-reopen-to-help-win-reelection/
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/04/29/nadler-thousands-more-will-die-if-trump-rushes-reopen-to-help-win-reelection/
Nadler: Thousands More Will Die If Trump Rushes Reopen to Help Win Reelection
Wednesday on MSNBC,House Judiciary Committee chairman Rep. Jerry Nadler(D-NY) said "thousands" more people will die if President Donald Trump is successful in his attempt to reopening the economy so it can rebound for his election. | Clips
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MCPO Roger Collins - Not sure if you were being sarcastic (I hope so) but my point in the Nadler post was to highlight the fact that the democrats seem to be in no hurry to open up and seem hell-bent on ruining the economy.
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MCPO Roger Collins
CMSgt (Join to see) I took it as agreeing with my point, no insult or hurt feelings here. As I said, crippling the economy is the only way the Democrats can beat Trump.
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