Posted on Nov 13, 2020
President Trump's Explosive Tweet About The Election Fraud
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Just for another point of view...
Hmmm - no 12th Amendment tag!
"...the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. "
https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/amendment/amendment-xii
Hmmm - no 12th Amendment tag!
"...the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. "
https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/amendment/amendment-xii
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As usual, the important qualification was left off:
"The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose..."
I.e. the normal process is for the electoral college to do this and for the person who gets a majority to be POTUS, we all know this. I suppose there could be 30+ faithless electors but that would be extraordinary. All we have here is a bunch of people who don't like the results of the election, and apparently don't believe in our form of government, looking for a way to get a different result.
"The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose..."
I.e. the normal process is for the electoral college to do this and for the person who gets a majority to be POTUS, we all know this. I suppose there could be 30+ faithless electors but that would be extraordinary. All we have here is a bunch of people who don't like the results of the election, and apparently don't believe in our form of government, looking for a way to get a different result.
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SSgt (Join to see)
Ah, that is what I suspected but have not yet confirmed. Never had a need to delve this deep into the 12th...
If PA/WI/MI/GA do not certify neither candidate has 270. I have not run the numbers yet but I think if even 1 does not certify neither party has 270. Off the top of my head it is probably 2 that will block JB. DT is already blocked at this point. But - recounts & lawsuits may even change that. I certainly don't know how this will all shake out.
If PA/WI/MI/GA do not certify neither candidate has 270. I have not run the numbers yet but I think if even 1 does not certify neither party has 270. Off the top of my head it is probably 2 that will block JB. DT is already blocked at this point. But - recounts & lawsuits may even change that. I certainly don't know how this will all shake out.
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SPC Kevin Ford
SSgt (Join to see) - You are correct that no one state you list gives it to anyone. Having said that, MI really isn't even remotely close. No recount on record would change the results of the other three, or even come close.
Outside of some disastrous counting having happened in multiple states, the only real thing left is evidence of widespread fraud and to date no one has been able to produce any of a material amount that has survived any scrutiny.
So yes, we can say that maybe disastrous counting happened in multiple states, but that could be claimed in any election to this point and also in all the states. I mean it could be questioned if Texas or Florida didn't make huge, multi county mistakes in counting or even California. Also we can posit that there is widespread fraud, but we haven't been shown any evidence of any either. The question in my mind is increasingly, why is this election so much different than any that has happened in my lifetime?
Outside of some disastrous counting having happened in multiple states, the only real thing left is evidence of widespread fraud and to date no one has been able to produce any of a material amount that has survived any scrutiny.
So yes, we can say that maybe disastrous counting happened in multiple states, but that could be claimed in any election to this point and also in all the states. I mean it could be questioned if Texas or Florida didn't make huge, multi county mistakes in counting or even California. Also we can posit that there is widespread fraud, but we haven't been shown any evidence of any either. The question in my mind is increasingly, why is this election so much different than any that has happened in my lifetime?
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SSgt (Join to see)
I see some similarities to the Bush v Gore election which took 36, or was it 37, days to finalize. And it was finalized by Gore conceding the race. I was VERY surprised the 2016 election did not go this route.
IMHO, the last 12 years have severely pissed off most conservatives and the last 4 years have put a fire, a little one, under the GOP.
I posted a viseo over on Parler - which I just signed up for. May be an interesting watch...
https://parler.com/post/485c3dfeaa4f4142ae5ee817abd9cf61
IMHO, the last 12 years have severely pissed off most conservatives and the last 4 years have put a fire, a little one, under the GOP.
I posted a viseo over on Parler - which I just signed up for. May be an interesting watch...
https://parler.com/post/485c3dfeaa4f4142ae5ee817abd9cf61
@KeithUSMC - KeithUSMC - Are you looking at history? Are you willing to...
Are you looking at history? Are you willing to repeat it? You better be if the Dems get their way!
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SPC Kevin Ford
SSgt (Join to see) - There are some pretty large differences. Primarily as in 2000 it was only one state and the margin was so small that a recount could change it. Here we are looking at Trump needing to flip several states, and states that have margins for Biden that are over 10x what any recount has ever changed.
I'm not opposed to Trump doing what he can within the system to make sure his rights are upheld. What upsets me is when people start talking about ways that they can ignore the election results without any solid evidence on why they are invalid.
I'm not opposed to Trump doing what he can within the system to make sure his rights are upheld. What upsets me is when people start talking about ways that they can ignore the election results without any solid evidence on why they are invalid.
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Once again:
Trump's own people at the NSA has clearly stated: THERE WAS NO FRAUD!
Trump's own people at the NSA has clearly stated: THERE WAS NO FRAUD!
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SSgt (Join to see)
Joe Biden is claiming to be President Elect - this is fraud.
MSMs are claiming to be President Elect - this is fraud.
Dominion voting machines have been shown to have changed or deleted over 1,000,000 republican votes. This is fraud until proved false in a court of law.
If your source is the MSMs you are eating fraud. I'm sorry if it goes against your cultish beliefs. I would hope, as a patriot and veteran, you would want to see all of this through a lens of transparency. So far I have been sorely disappointed.
Yell all you want. I mainly ignore it now. I am very interested in settling this and letting the chips fall where they may. I am not invested in Trump. On the other hand, I firmly believe that JB is a sham and almost as bad a choice as HRC. Both of their records speak for themselves. DT's record as a politician (POTUS only!) also speaks for itself.
https://roar-assets-auto.rbl.ms/documents/7487/3.%20EXHIBIT%201%20(affidavits)%20(compressed).pdf
MSMs are claiming to be President Elect - this is fraud.
Dominion voting machines have been shown to have changed or deleted over 1,000,000 republican votes. This is fraud until proved false in a court of law.
If your source is the MSMs you are eating fraud. I'm sorry if it goes against your cultish beliefs. I would hope, as a patriot and veteran, you would want to see all of this through a lens of transparency. So far I have been sorely disappointed.
Yell all you want. I mainly ignore it now. I am very interested in settling this and letting the chips fall where they may. I am not invested in Trump. On the other hand, I firmly believe that JB is a sham and almost as bad a choice as HRC. Both of their records speak for themselves. DT's record as a politician (POTUS only!) also speaks for itself.
https://roar-assets-auto.rbl.ms/documents/7487/3.%20EXHIBIT%201%20(affidavits)%20(compressed).pdf
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MSG Stan Hutchison
SSgt (Join to see) - "Dominion voting machines have been shown to have changed or deleted over 1,000,000 republican votes. This is fraud until proved false in a court of law."
Trump's lawyer team has left PA. That case has been thrown out of court. Every case that has gone before a judge has been thrown out.
Joe Biden IS the President-elect. Period!
Trump's lawyer team has left PA. That case has been thrown out of court. Every case that has gone before a judge has been thrown out.
Joe Biden IS the President-elect. Period!
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