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LTC David Brown
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The FBI found there was no wide spread coordination among the rioters. How can you have an insurrection with a mob? Now with some encouragement and a crowd mentality you can get people to do things but you can not over throw a government or an election with out plans to contain the capital, block government forces, I.e. police, active military, and national guard, control federal communications etc. NONE OF THOSE THINGS WERE PRESENT. Of course an FBI investigation involving several months showed nothing but I have very little respect for the FBI after the IG findings on the Trump collusion Hoax. Despite my disdain for the FBI I simply see no bases for a charge of insurrection. Now I find what went on reprehensible and in the same vein as the riots we had all summer preceding the election. Those riots were far more damaging and violent and showed a degree of coordination on a higher level than the DC riot. https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/568719-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-jan-6-attack-was-coordinated-reuters
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SPC Kevin Ford
SPC Kevin Ford
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LTC David Brown No widespread coordination doesn't mean there wasn't coordination within members of the crowd. That's what this case is about.

You stated:
"Now with some encouragement and a crowd mentality you can get people to do things but you can not over throw a government or an election with out plans to contain the capital, block government forces, I.e. police, active military, and national guard, control federal communications etc. NONE OF THOSE THINGS WERE PRESENT"

Yes they were, in the person of Trump. If they could stop the election from being certified by sequestering members of Congress, the current guy who controls all of that would still be in some control, even if contested. Also, if they intimidated Pence into doing what they wanted him to (lack of Constitutionality wouldn't matter) a large portion of the public would believe Trump won and based on Trump's past he would have used that opportunity to say he won and try to retain power. Morals, ethics and laws never constrained that guy all that much.

I'll ask you the same question I asked elsewhere. These guys were charged with conspiracy. Conspiracy to do what exactly?
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Why are these the only charges? Why no conspiracy to overthrow the government? Or to kidnap or murder anyone?
If they're going after these guys, why aren't they working on the guy who was putting pipe bombs around the Capitol? There's plenty of videos showing him doing so.
Or Ray Epps, who is clearly shown encouraging people to go into the Capitol building? Why did the FBI take him off their "most wanted" list and why is he still out walking around?
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SPC Kevin Ford - I assume you are talking about this claim and the National Guard. I find it "funny" that Trump constantly lies and his supports excuse it as no one taking those seriously. Well except when it's convenient to believe him and it hasn't been disproved yet.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/mar/02/donald-trump/no-proof-trump-requested-10000-guard-troops-jan-6-/

That's all you got is the guy who constantly lies word. Despite people on January 6th begging him to try and call of his supporters. That we do know happened.
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SPC Kevin Ford - It almost feels like they were obstructed from coming to the capitol's aid. I wonder who would have benefitted from that?
Mayor Bowser emphatically turned down requests for the National Guard to deploy ahead of time. Her signed letter is viewable online.
Even Newsweek (not exactly right wing) reported that Trump had national assets, including the FBI HRT, on hand but no one wanted them.
Please don't use Politifact as a reliable source of "fact-checking." They're not reliable or unbiased.
An affidavit is not evidence. It's just an assertion of facts by one person against another. Criminal Law 101.
The whole process was in doubt, even before Jan 5. You should know that. The same thing the democrats said 4 years ago when they contested Trump's certification vote. And during Bush's certification vote. And all the others who claimed for 4 years that Trump wasn't the legitimate President.
And the IG's report from the DOJ said there was no evidence that Trump had anything to do with the riot or was in any way connected to anyone involved. So there's not a lot of evidence that anything was gonna happen. Not a lot, as in none.
Keep grasping at straws that fit the narrative.
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SPC Kevin Ford
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You stated:
"It almost feels like they were obstructed from coming to the capitol's aid. I wonder who would have benefitted from that?"

Trump? :) It certainly wouldn't have helped members of Congress if they had gotten to them. But to be fair, I don't think most people thought this would happen on the right or the left (except ironically Trump who has a good feel for his supporters). Most were thinking more along the line of "normal" post election protests with some, but not overwhelming, violence. But it also wouldn't surprise me if politicians (on both sides) were concerned with the optics, so that's a fair point. Doubt Trump offered up 10K troop before hand. That's just the kind of thing he like to exaggerate about.

Politifact is pretty reliable. Normally their detractors look for one or two outlier mistakes that they made and then use those to discredit all the correct findings. I will admit I wouldn't say that is false like they did, but instead unverified from an unreliable source.

You stated:
"An affidavit is not evidence. It's just an assertion of facts by one person against another. Criminal Law 101."
Not exactly, it contains much of the evidence that will will be used and supports the criminal complaint. It also doesn't convict anyone. What it does contain is evidence that the submitter is attesting to (under criminal penalty if they are lying, making it up, etc) is real. I'm not going off the charges, but simply looking at the evidence presented. I find it unlikely that the police are making up social media posts, transmissions, pictures, etc all that will cause a mistrial (and likely criminal charges for the author) if they are found to be faked.

You stated:
"And the IG's report from the DOJ said there was no evidence that Trump had anything to do with the riot or was in any way connected to anyone involved."

There is a large difference between what people who participated in January 6 thought was going to happen and what did. I suspect Trump just let it roll to see how it would turn out. In the accused minds it isn't unlikely (particularly if they were involved in QAnon where Trump is some sort of savior) that they believed Trump would have acted as I stated. Do I think Trump coordinated with this Oath Keeper's group? No. Do I think they thought what they were doing was for him? Yup, I do.
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SPC Kevin Ford - Let's see....who's benefitting from all of this hoopla? The democrats, of course. This way they get to keep up the "Insurrection" mantra since the "Russia, Russia, Russia" one didn't work.
Who obstructed them coming to the aid of the Capitol police? Democrats. Read Bowser's letter. And since Pelosi won't testify, I guess no one is going to be getting answers from her on what she ordered the Sgt at Arms to do. Or not do.
Politifact is not reliable.
Not exactly? Yes. Exactly. An affidavit is not evidence. Study up on what it actually is. Nothing in an affidavit has to be proven. It's a statement of what one person says are facts as they're put on paper in order to progress to another step in the process. As someone who written many affidavits, I know exactly how they work.
The whole QAnon thing is bullshit. Beyond folks like Chewbacca Guy, no one buys that shit so spare me with the Trump Savior crap.
You're still grasping at straws, Kevin.
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Those who doth downplay this pertinent event are the guilty and not the innocent who accept the clear and convincing facts of this insurrection!
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MSgt Robert "Rock" Aldi - I'm suffering from PTSD just from looking at this photo.
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It was a mostly peaceful protest. Why get so worked up?
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