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LTC Eugene Chu
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You should change tag from coronavirus to conspiracy theories. Your article's citations are from alt-right sources including Alex Jones. Along with facing defamation lawsuits for damage from publicly making false claims, Jones also makes money from peddling unproven snake oil like items to his fans.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/video/customers-buy-in-then-they-buy-how-alex-jones-makes-millions-from-conspiracy-theories/6edi0vmxy
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CWO4 Terrence Clark - Again what is the "CDC database" that was used to determine 61K? Was it VAERS? Because the CDC has a DISCLAIMER on that site saying it's NOT VERIFIED INFORMATION. Lol. I mean ffs man.
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CWO4 Terrence Clark
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Now you're guessing Kelly. Thus the question of a debate. I might add, the whole reason for the founding documents is to remind us the government can't be trusted.
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Maj John Bell
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The debate tactic of "poisoning the well" is only effective in convincing people who are already convinced of your opinion. I don't automatically discredit based on the source.
If you want to discredit the following, please show me one of the following:
_Inaccurate/misleading/false data
_Inaccurate/misleading/false credentials of the author
_Provable intentional or unintentional false analysis
Otherwise, it is merely a matter of bias confirmation. I don't know if it is true or not, but with all that is at stake (lives, economics, power) I'm in favor of a deeper look.

https://www.aier.org/article/all-cause-mortality-in-the-united-states-during-2021/
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CWO4 Terrence Clark - No I'm not. What other database exists on the CDC website that tracks vaccine reactions? None other than VAERS. So I'm not guessing. It's very convenient they didn't cite their source nor link to the CDC website though.

You realize the founders didn't expect this country to last more than 50 years right? They weren't gods nor perfect nor trustworthy themselves.
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This is some of the dumbest shit I have ever read
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"This surfaced after an analysis of figures from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) database revealed that 61,000 people, supposedly in the prime of their life, ages 25-44, died of vaccine-related causes in the U.S. in the fall and winter of 2021."

Are they talking about VAERS? LOL that's not reliable information. The CDC even has a disclaimer ON the website that says that everything on VAERS is UNVERIFIED information. Literally anyone can upload anything on VAERS.

The vaccine has not killed 61K people. The J&J vaccine, when first released, did cause clots that killed 3 people and they modified it after that. Smh c'mon.
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Maj John Bell
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If the CDC does not have faith in the numbers, they should not publish them, precisely for this reason. Obviously, the Pandemic is real. But there is more than ample reason (conflicting information, questionable data, political agenda, etc.) to question every COVID related public health policy decision.
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Maj John Bell - JFC how many times on this forum has VAERS been explained?

"Established in 1990, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) is a national early warning system to detect possible safety problems in U.S.-licensed vaccines. VAERS is co-managed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). VAERS accepts and analyzes reports of adverse events (possible side effects) after a person has received a vaccination. Anyone can report an adverse event to VAERS. Healthcare professionals are required to report certain adverse events and vaccine manufacturers are required to report all adverse events that come to their attention.

VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning it relies on individuals to send in reports of their experiences to CDC and FDA. VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused a health problem, but is especially useful for detecting unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse event reporting that might indicate a possible safety problem with a vaccine. This way, VAERS can provide CDC and FDA with valuable information that additional work and evaluation is necessary to further assess a possible safety concern."

The primary objectives of VAERS are to:

Detect new, unusual, or rare vaccine adverse events;
Monitor increases in known adverse events;
Identify potential patient risk factors for particular types of adverse events;
Assess the safety of newly licensed vaccines;
Determine and address possible reporting clusters (e.g., suspected localized [temporally or geographically] or product-/batch-/lot-specific adverse event reporting);
Recognize persistent safe-use problems and administration errors;
Provide a national safety monitoring system that extends to the entire general population for response to public health emergencies, such as a large-scale pandemic influenza vaccination program.

It's ONE tool to identify potential adverse reactions or risks to vaccines. Not the ONLY tool. That's why there's a f* disclaimer on it.

From the CDC website (above is from the VAERS website):

'About VAERS
VAERS is the nation’s early warning system that monitors the safety of vaccines after they are authorized or licensed for use by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). VAERS is part of the larger vaccine safety system in the United States that helps make sure vaccines are safe. The system is co-managed by CDC and FDA.

VAERS accepts and analyzes reports of possible health problems—also called “adverse events”—after vaccination. As an early warning system, VAERS cannot prove that a vaccine caused a problem. Specifically, a report to VAERS does not mean that a vaccine caused an adverse event. But VAERS can give CDC and FDA important information. If it looks as though a vaccine might be causing a problem, FDA and CDC will investigate further and take action if needed.

Anyone can submit a report to VAERS — healthcare professionals, vaccine manufacturers, and the general public. VAERS welcomes all reports, regardless of seriousness, and regardless of how likely the vaccine may have been to have caused the adverse event."

VAERS was created to help the FDA and CDC to investigate any risks or adverse causes of vaccines. That's it. That's why it's open to the public but for covid, people are abusing it.
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CWO4 Terrence Clark
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SFC (Join to see) Maj John Bell I'm sure you think VAERS is a impressive word, how can it not be, it's all in caps. I'm not reading where Dowd is working with VAERS data. Perhaps you could direct me to that line in the article. What he does refer to, are insurance company actuarial data and undefined CDC data. If Dowd's wrong show your work. Better yet, let's put him and Walensky in the debate box and see if she shreds him. What could be more definitive.

BTW, if you are still in in an infantile temper tantrum, you can down vote this response, too. Three in one day breaks your old record.
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