Posted on Dec 21, 2022
Exclusive: Trump aide testified he saw Trump "tearing" documents; Meadows also once told him,...
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
..."On an exchange with Mark Meadows
NICK LUNA: So, if my memory serves me correct, there was the meeting with, I don't even remember whether they were from, people that were from, state legislators or they were state senators or something like that. And I do remember Mr. Meadows being, um, I don't know if he was in charge of it, but I do remember him having a part in that. But that's what I'm thinking about. And in terms of like, yeah, that may have been a conversation that I, not a conversation, but a directive that was in his, you know, in, that I remember correctly.
GEORGE: Okay. And what I'm going to do, I'm about to say something, not to suggest anything, but to see if it shakes anything loose. What we call refreshing recollection. But there was a state legislature, a group from the Pennsylvania state legislature, who came down at the end of November, November 25, after a hearing in Pennsylvania. There were also state legislators who came from Michigan. Speaker Chatfield and Senator Shirkey. Did one of those events or meetings — does that refresh your recollection about what you just mentioned with respect to Mr. Meadows and what he was doing?
LUNA: I definitely, I did not know where the people were from and I did not attend the meetings and I did not — I wasn't a party to that. But I do remember, um, the, the chief having, having a role in, I don't. I don't know. I mean, I just remember him being around the office. That, and I don't remember if it was the Michigan or Pennsylvania. I didn't know that. I don't remember that those were the places. But I do remember him on a on one or the other those being, before going into the meeting, in my office.
DAN GEORGE: You mentioned his role. Do you know what his role was with respect to those meetings or coming out of those meetings?
NICK LUNA: I do not, sir. No.
DAN GEORGE: Do you remember Mr. Meadows saying anything to you about any of those meetings?
NICK LUNA: I do. Yes sir, I do.
DAN GEORGE: What'd he say?
NICK LUNA: There was one instance where it would normally be my job to go in and make sure that the President is comfortable in wherever the situation is — if he's sitting in the chair or something like that. And I remember specifically this instance he had said, do not, don't come in. Don't come into the room today.
DAN GEORGE: Mr. Meadows said that to you.
NICK LUNA: Correct.
DAN GEORGE: Did he ever tell you why not to come into the room?
NICK LUNA: He did not.
DAN GEORGE: Did you think that was odd, just based on your experience working at the White House?
NICK LUNA: I don't know, I mean, there are so many types of meetings and, you know, classified. Otherwise, it wasn't you know, I don't know if it was necessarily odd. It would, it may have been one of two or three times that he asked me to do that. But that's not, I don't know if I would be the right characterization.
DAN GEORGE: Okay. But that didn't happen very frequently. It sounds like it was a rare occurrence that you were told not to come into a meeting like that.
NICK LUNA: Correct."
..."On an exchange with Mark Meadows
NICK LUNA: So, if my memory serves me correct, there was the meeting with, I don't even remember whether they were from, people that were from, state legislators or they were state senators or something like that. And I do remember Mr. Meadows being, um, I don't know if he was in charge of it, but I do remember him having a part in that. But that's what I'm thinking about. And in terms of like, yeah, that may have been a conversation that I, not a conversation, but a directive that was in his, you know, in, that I remember correctly.
GEORGE: Okay. And what I'm going to do, I'm about to say something, not to suggest anything, but to see if it shakes anything loose. What we call refreshing recollection. But there was a state legislature, a group from the Pennsylvania state legislature, who came down at the end of November, November 25, after a hearing in Pennsylvania. There were also state legislators who came from Michigan. Speaker Chatfield and Senator Shirkey. Did one of those events or meetings — does that refresh your recollection about what you just mentioned with respect to Mr. Meadows and what he was doing?
LUNA: I definitely, I did not know where the people were from and I did not attend the meetings and I did not — I wasn't a party to that. But I do remember, um, the, the chief having, having a role in, I don't. I don't know. I mean, I just remember him being around the office. That, and I don't remember if it was the Michigan or Pennsylvania. I didn't know that. I don't remember that those were the places. But I do remember him on a on one or the other those being, before going into the meeting, in my office.
DAN GEORGE: You mentioned his role. Do you know what his role was with respect to those meetings or coming out of those meetings?
NICK LUNA: I do not, sir. No.
DAN GEORGE: Do you remember Mr. Meadows saying anything to you about any of those meetings?
NICK LUNA: I do. Yes sir, I do.
DAN GEORGE: What'd he say?
NICK LUNA: There was one instance where it would normally be my job to go in and make sure that the President is comfortable in wherever the situation is — if he's sitting in the chair or something like that. And I remember specifically this instance he had said, do not, don't come in. Don't come into the room today.
DAN GEORGE: Mr. Meadows said that to you.
NICK LUNA: Correct.
DAN GEORGE: Did he ever tell you why not to come into the room?
NICK LUNA: He did not.
DAN GEORGE: Did you think that was odd, just based on your experience working at the White House?
NICK LUNA: I don't know, I mean, there are so many types of meetings and, you know, classified. Otherwise, it wasn't you know, I don't know if it was necessarily odd. It would, it may have been one of two or three times that he asked me to do that. But that's not, I don't know if I would be the right characterization.
DAN GEORGE: Okay. But that didn't happen very frequently. It sounds like it was a rare occurrence that you were told not to come into a meeting like that.
NICK LUNA: Correct."
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel good day Brother William, always informational and of the most interesting. Thanks for sharing, have a blessed day!
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Gee, great , possible list of documents Trump tore up! Meals suggested for a state diner? Requests for autographs from Pelosi? Request to fire Luna? I suggest we burn Trump at the stake for witch craft and get it over with!
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LTC David Brown
MSG Stan Hutchison - so explain to me exactly how you know they were presidential documents ? Could have been shopping lists, dry cleaning bill, or recommendations from Barron Trump’s teacher. Pelosi tore up documents during Trump’s State of the Union, any one level charges against her? As I said, just call Trump a witch and burn him at the stake because you know he is guilty correct? I agree about getting tTrump in front of a jury, but first you have to indict Trump. It is just much easier to slander him and pretend!
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MSG Stan Hutchison
LTC David Brown - The Presidential Records Act reads: presidential records.
Anything he touches is presidential records I think, but that world be for a jury to decide.
Anything he touches is presidential records I think, but that world be for a jury to decide.
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LTC David Brown
MSG Stan Hutchison - Google is your friend. The Presidential Records act separates personal from presidential records. https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html Wouldn’t it be easier to just get the witch hunt over and declare Trump a witch and burn him at the stake? I mean with out even knowing what is in the Presidential Records act you knew Trump was guilty..
Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978
The Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978, 44 U.S.C. ß2201-2209, governs the official records of Presidents and Vice Presidents that were created or received after January 20, 1981 (i.e., beginning with the Reagan Administration). The PRA changed the legal ownership of the official records of the President from private to public, and established a new statutory structure under which Presidents, and subsequently NARA, must manage the records...
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MSG Stan Hutchison
LTC David Brown - Thanks for the link. So, I guess it would be up to a jury to determine what those documents were.
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