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Also, I think this much better of discussion than the others. Jenner never served or had anything to do with the military. Logan on the other hand is a great example and I can say I learned from this.
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
TSgt Joshua Copeland
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This came across my FB feed yesterday and all I could think was "YES! This is what we need to be talking about on RP instead of Jenner."
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agreed we are here serving we all took the same oath when i learned about this i had to wait a long time to see the product and it was worth the wait
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I feel really bad after seeing this. Logan has bigger arms than me. But on a serious note I am at a loss on this. He is doing a good job and appears to be able to function seamlessly in his job there. The weekly shots are a bit of a concern. I don't think they are really that much of an issue. But I am more concerned about how it would work the other way around. Specifically in MOS's that are all males. In some austere environments if he was not able to take his shots his body would start to break down and fail to produce enough test to maintain. I don't know if this would make one have a profile that would limit them to certain MOSs or not. At a school like Ranger you can't take shots like that. You body is going through hell. If he was to go I don't know what how his body would react.
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PO1 John Miller
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Something that transgendered Navy personnel undergoing hormone replacement therapy can do if they're deployed to a ship is have their medications stored in the medical refrigerator. Every time before deployment medical would put out the word for anyone on a long-term prescription to let medical know so that they could order enough of it to last the deployment and to make sure they had enough space to store it along with the other meds.
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PO1 John Miller
PO1 John Miller
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TSgt Joshua Copeland, that may bring about another problem. If the person is living as a man and is required to maintain male standards (as appears to be the case with Logan), wouldn't they have a tougher time meeting/maintaining male PT standards? Especially if they consider themselves a PT stud (again like Logan)? Their testosterone levels eventually go down and they can no longer meet the "Outstanding" or "Excellent" categories, or whatever their particular branch calls the higher levels of PT scores. In fact, they may struggle to maintain the bare minimum male standards, and now their evaluations and career aspirations suffer as a result.
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CPT Company Commander
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PO1 John Miller That works for the Navy but not so much the Army. Sometimes your stuff may get blow up or destroyed. Routes go black, means no travel, and you are stuck. Or you may be on an out post in the Afghan hills. Soldiers there can't be on any type of meds like this.

On top of all of this the military shouldn't pick up the bill. What if you are all out or they are destroyed. Are you going to get mail ordered prescription mail sent to you in a combat zone?
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PO1 John Miller
PO1 John Miller
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CPT (Join to see), that's KIND of what I was getting at. But another member, SGT Anthony Bussing who is on testosterone himself, pointed out: "testosterone doesnt have to be in a fridge...so, you could actually take the medication with you into the field...there are also pills that could be taken...unsure of the strength of the pills...

"A formulation of injected testosterone available in Europe, Nebido (testosterone undecanoate in oil) provides significantly improved testosterone delivery with far less variation outside the eugonadal range than other formulations with injections required only four times yearly. However, each quarterly dose requires injection of 4ml which may require multiple simultaneous injections. Nebido is also much more expensive. In 2014 it became available in the United States under the name Aveed"

so I wouldnt forsee any issues with the person being able to carry on with their therapy while on mission...they could, if I read this right, get their shot before the mission...then carry whatever they would need into the field with them for an "as needed" boost...

As a medic, Id be ok with it..."

So it seems like Soldiers in the field could still have their testosterone treatments. I'm no expert, far from it, but that's how it looks to me.
As far as the military picking up the bill, others have pointed out that it would/should be considered "elective treatment" meaning that the transgendered member should foot the bill.
My counter-argument to that is, Traitor Manning is having all of his treatment paid for by the government. Why shouldn't Logan and Laila, and other transgenders who actually serve honorably get the same treatment?
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Sorry, I just don't get it. He's a she and she's a he ... They want to have a family and live a "normal" life. This seems to me to be a cause célèbre. I wonder what's next? Some smaller population of "others" who are even more "different." I could name the differences that others might claim, but I have learned that's offensive to this group of "others." Let's just say that a smaller minority of "other-ness" might rise up and want to be included in the pool of "normal."

I thank her (/him) and him (/her) for their service. I will leave it at that.
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Capt Seid Waddell
Capt Seid Waddell
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CW5 Scott Montgomery, this is a case where a double negative becomes a positive...
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