Posted on Jan 14, 2017
BREAKING: Bill Introduced In Congress to Eliminate ATF - The Truth About Guns
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What substantive ATF functions (if any) that are needed would be / could be done by other agencies?
BREAKING: Bill Introduced In Congress to Eliminate ATF - The Truth About Guns
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YES! And so it begins.
Who doesn't remember the ATF debacle in Waco under Clinton? David Koresh was a creepy guy who had delusions of being a messiah. He also had a side business of buying and selling guns. The guns part of it was perfectly legal. At least the weapons themselves were legal, I don't know what kind of tax or business code violations might have been.
The ATF decides they're going to go after Koresh. But rather than just arrest him on one of his weekly visits into town, they decide to stage a raid at his compound. It is budget review time, after all, and it would be helpful for their budget if they can make a big splash.
It apparently didn't occur to the leaders of this operation that if they raid a compound that has a lot of guns on it, that people might shoot back. Two months and 70 dead people later, it ended. The ATF got bumped by the FBI after they hacked the job up so badly.
Who doesn't remember the ATF debacle in Waco under Clinton? David Koresh was a creepy guy who had delusions of being a messiah. He also had a side business of buying and selling guns. The guns part of it was perfectly legal. At least the weapons themselves were legal, I don't know what kind of tax or business code violations might have been.
The ATF decides they're going to go after Koresh. But rather than just arrest him on one of his weekly visits into town, they decide to stage a raid at his compound. It is budget review time, after all, and it would be helpful for their budget if they can make a big splash.
It apparently didn't occur to the leaders of this operation that if they raid a compound that has a lot of guns on it, that people might shoot back. Two months and 70 dead people later, it ended. The ATF got bumped by the FBI after they hacked the job up so badly.
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SSgt Christopher Brose
It's unforgivable. Women and children died in that raid and stand-off who didn't need to die, because some bureaucrat wanted more money for his agency. They could have just arrested Koresh when he visited his next gun show.
I'll be glad to see the BATF dissolved.
I'll be glad to see the BATF dissolved.
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CW3 Harvey K.
I remember seeing one ATF agent involved in the fustercluck at Waco on TV, complaining "Our guns sounded like pop-guns, and their guns sounded like cannons".
I could not give much credence to the all too frequent complaint that law enforcement was "outgunned" in this case. What organization, short of the military, would have access to a broader, more powerful array of weaponry than the ATF? Was there any evidence that Koresh followers had any full-auto weapons?
There's a great deal of info about the lawless gun control theater, produced and directed by BATF at Waco here:
http://www.davekopel.com/Waco/LawRev/warrant.htm#24
I could not give much credence to the all too frequent complaint that law enforcement was "outgunned" in this case. What organization, short of the military, would have access to a broader, more powerful array of weaponry than the ATF? Was there any evidence that Koresh followers had any full-auto weapons?
There's a great deal of info about the lawless gun control theater, produced and directed by BATF at Waco here:
http://www.davekopel.com/Waco/LawRev/warrant.htm#24
THE WACO SEARCH WARRANT AND THE DECLINE OF THE FOURTH AMENDMENT
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Eliminate ATF. We have enough law enforcement Federal agencies to absorbe required responsibilities. We no longer living in the days of the roaring 20s. We need to cut some agencies, focus on what is important and become realists.
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This is a bill, the precursor to every law here in the USA, and hopefully it will be signed into law. The ATF is far from gone but we shall wait & see!
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