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Similar to many debates (gun control, border control most commonly), I don't think we necessarily need to change the Constitution, we just need to actually follow it. The large majority of the federal government (to include the Army) is not within the scope of the Constitution. The federal government, Constitutionally, should be about 1/100th the size it currently is - or even smaller.
Let's start by reducing DC to 10 square miles, as the Constitution requires. Then we can move on to all of the laws (and entire agencies!) That don't comply with the 10th Amendment.
Let's start by reducing DC to 10 square miles, as the Constitution requires. Then we can move on to all of the laws (and entire agencies!) That don't comply with the 10th Amendment.
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The constitution requires DC to be 10 miles square, not 10 square miles.
10 miles square= 100 square miles.
DC is well below the constitutionally mandated size.
10 miles square= 100 square miles.
DC is well below the constitutionally mandated size.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
SGT (Join to see) I stand corrected. I misremembered and didn't fact check myself before posting.
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CMSgt Marcus Falleaf
Man, you are on the way to Congress. Why doesn't anyone ever run for office with thoughts like that? Small government...
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CPO Nate S.
Agreed - Interesting!!! But here are some additional thoughts:
Frankly, I wonder if the Preamble were written as follows if people would be more humane and responsive to each other?
Below is a potential rewrite of the Preamble:
"We the people of the United States, endowed with the unalienable truth that all people are created equal with the right to life, to liberty and to the pursuit of happiness that leads to a more perfect union among our diversity as a people are committed to the establishment of justice so that the common defense of all people will provide for a domestic tranquility that increases the general welfare so that the blessings of the execution of responsible liberty for ourselves and our posterity can be realized via our efforts as a unified people in purpose, do ordain and establish this Constitution of the United States of America.
This Constitution recognizes that in any form of government those governing a people derive their powers to govern them from the consent of those people they will be elected to govern and that when such a government becomes tyrannical and unjust in its unequal application of the law that such government shall via proper means be altered or abolished in order to institute a more just and equitable form of government of the people, for the people, and by the people for whom this Constitution is hereafter established.
This Constitution is therefore established on such principles as to effect the Safety, the Security, and the Happiness for all inhabitants of the United States of America with the prudence and forbearance required of those that are directed by the people to govern to assure that abuses and usurpations of those granted such powers to govern have no capacity in law to establish a foothold for injustice to justify any form of absolute Despotism......." (Then the Articles of Government)
Are these words not what we are all about when they are combined into a single statement or what I would call an "Extended Preamble"? Any serious student of the Constitution cannot help but believe that when certain language from both documents (The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution) are carefully combined as a singular stronger document as we move into the next 250 years of this experiment in "democracy" better known as a republic can help to achieve!
Finally, I agree with the article's author "Who" will be the James Madison type to rewrite such a document? I find it interesting that "...Approximately 11, 848 measures have been proposed to amend the Constitution from 1789 through January 3, 2019...". (https://www.senate.gov/legislative/MeasuresProposedToAmendTheConstitution). Just knowing this astounding figure speaks to a certain genius to the concept of this document and why a "...proposed...: rewrite in the current heated environment would be very difficult. It would that "We the people..." as suggested above must be the ones to propose any such rewrites and that language must be presented transparently for ALL to consider, if the overwhelming majority (i.e., > 80%) of Americans are to ever buy into such an endeavor. Any idea regarding a total rewrite must have overwhelming support 51-49 splits and even 60-40 splits will not do!!! If recent polls regarding "...the country is headed in the wrong direction..." are suggesting with figures from 80 to 88% then it is logical to know that Americans (appropriately diverse as we are) understand what...
...comprises "...the common defense..." so that our mutual "...domestic tranquility..." can be achieved in order to further our combined "...general welfare..." so that as we as Americans will continue to work on the goal of becoming a "...more perfect union..." that we are able to continue to have respect for "...life...", for the dreams of responsible "...liberty..." to express ourselves in "...peaceable assembly..." so that we will know what "...established justice..." looks like that will always help each of us have the unquestioned capacity to "...preserve, protect, and defend..." this nation "...against ALL enemies, both foreign and domestic...".
The founders knew they were NOT perfect, but it was their "...scared honor..." that allowed them to pledge their "...Lives..." and "...Fortunes..." for the ultimate dream of "...Liberty and Justice for ALL...". It is the dream of freedom, a freedom that respects others while holding all accountable that is so important to understand.
Just some thoughts........................Respectfully submitted.........................
Frankly, I wonder if the Preamble were written as follows if people would be more humane and responsive to each other?
Below is a potential rewrite of the Preamble:
"We the people of the United States, endowed with the unalienable truth that all people are created equal with the right to life, to liberty and to the pursuit of happiness that leads to a more perfect union among our diversity as a people are committed to the establishment of justice so that the common defense of all people will provide for a domestic tranquility that increases the general welfare so that the blessings of the execution of responsible liberty for ourselves and our posterity can be realized via our efforts as a unified people in purpose, do ordain and establish this Constitution of the United States of America.
This Constitution recognizes that in any form of government those governing a people derive their powers to govern them from the consent of those people they will be elected to govern and that when such a government becomes tyrannical and unjust in its unequal application of the law that such government shall via proper means be altered or abolished in order to institute a more just and equitable form of government of the people, for the people, and by the people for whom this Constitution is hereafter established.
This Constitution is therefore established on such principles as to effect the Safety, the Security, and the Happiness for all inhabitants of the United States of America with the prudence and forbearance required of those that are directed by the people to govern to assure that abuses and usurpations of those granted such powers to govern have no capacity in law to establish a foothold for injustice to justify any form of absolute Despotism......." (Then the Articles of Government)
Are these words not what we are all about when they are combined into a single statement or what I would call an "Extended Preamble"? Any serious student of the Constitution cannot help but believe that when certain language from both documents (The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution) are carefully combined as a singular stronger document as we move into the next 250 years of this experiment in "democracy" better known as a republic can help to achieve!
Finally, I agree with the article's author "Who" will be the James Madison type to rewrite such a document? I find it interesting that "...Approximately 11, 848 measures have been proposed to amend the Constitution from 1789 through January 3, 2019...". (https://www.senate.gov/legislative/MeasuresProposedToAmendTheConstitution). Just knowing this astounding figure speaks to a certain genius to the concept of this document and why a "...proposed...: rewrite in the current heated environment would be very difficult. It would that "We the people..." as suggested above must be the ones to propose any such rewrites and that language must be presented transparently for ALL to consider, if the overwhelming majority (i.e., > 80%) of Americans are to ever buy into such an endeavor. Any idea regarding a total rewrite must have overwhelming support 51-49 splits and even 60-40 splits will not do!!! If recent polls regarding "...the country is headed in the wrong direction..." are suggesting with figures from 80 to 88% then it is logical to know that Americans (appropriately diverse as we are) understand what...
...comprises "...the common defense..." so that our mutual "...domestic tranquility..." can be achieved in order to further our combined "...general welfare..." so that as we as Americans will continue to work on the goal of becoming a "...more perfect union..." that we are able to continue to have respect for "...life...", for the dreams of responsible "...liberty..." to express ourselves in "...peaceable assembly..." so that we will know what "...established justice..." looks like that will always help each of us have the unquestioned capacity to "...preserve, protect, and defend..." this nation "...against ALL enemies, both foreign and domestic...".
The founders knew they were NOT perfect, but it was their "...scared honor..." that allowed them to pledge their "...Lives..." and "...Fortunes..." for the ultimate dream of "...Liberty and Justice for ALL...". It is the dream of freedom, a freedom that respects others while holding all accountable that is so important to understand.
Just some thoughts........................Respectfully submitted.........................
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