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The Germans have an integrated tank corps and women can handle the 105mm here and I am sure they can handle the 120mm round. Any complaints 19K/19A over having a woman like her as your loader? Some music from Marilyn-Manson too..
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I am sure we can find some sturdy women to sling 50 pound heat rounds from the ammo rack to the breach.
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Think we've all known that women tankers have been around whether German or Israeli. Our American ego has always made excuses. Anyone else notice them wearing berets and headsets similar to the old British tankers? Hahaha!
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1LT Rich Voss
I have a German tankers beret. Found it on the road near Tennenlohe. Fits great. Got to meet and get some training/rides in German armored vehicles while stationed there. Very cool, but no women...not in 67-69, anyway. Darn ! Did meet some women Israeli officers there too. They carried themselves in a way that seemed to say "I can kill you in multiple ways". Saw that same look on Ziva on NCIS many years later. Was jealous that the German Leopards could go under water and fire from there. Handy. Anyway, as an old former Armor Officer, I really don't know how a woman or two would have fit in my crew or those of the other tanks in my platoon. I'm certain that size, strength, and dexterity would be the primary factors for being there and that would be OK by me...but 90% of my platoon were draftees, and they weren't the best behaved with German women off base. Different group of soldiers today. My goal always was that each crew functioned as a true team and that each tank functioned as an integral part of the platoon. That being said, if a woman gunner (mine) could outscore everyone else in TCQC, I'd guard have her guarded day and night so that no one else "poached" her !
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MAJ James Woods
1LT Rich Voss - Thanks. That was enlightening. I had 120 lb KATUSAs loading my tank as a PL in Korea and they were faster than any of the bigger US loaders in my platoon. So technique does play a factor more than upper body strength so I can see a female soldier being just as accomplished with practice. However, since we don't practice living 24/7 in a tank, I too would say anything is possible in today's Army.
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1LT Rich Voss
MAJ James Woods - wow, I went to school with a James Woods ! Anyway, my "best" loader was a little (5'3') wiry Southern guy. Tough & strong & agile. Also trouble in a small package. But got the job done in the field. We DID live 24/7 in our tanks @ Graf & I suffered for that. Too darn tall. 6'3". Hit everything inside with head, knees, elbows (also separated ribs from hitting the right side of my cupola while jumping an unseen ditch covered by snow). Had to go to hospital 3 times as the TC seat in my M60 shut down the circulation in my legs. Finally just secured the seat up and tied a pillow to the post. Field Expedient !
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I seen her on another tanker thread a couple months ago I dont care for the gun tube elevating after you fire I think the Russian tanks do the same thing in order to reload seems alot of time is wasted to get back on target !!!
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LTC (Join to see)
its the only way for the shell to come out. I don't think it matters that much since they practice reloading and they can get it done in a few seconds.
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SGT Robert George
LTC (Join to see) - I wasnt thinking about the loader I was thinking about the gunner already having the telescope on another tank ready to dispatch the Kill
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LTC Tim Ellis
SGT Robert George - I believe the gun goes into EL Uncoupled during the recoil/loading phase and the gunner's sight picture remains the same.
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