If There Is No God, Murder Isn't Wrong

Your third point is the easiest to dismiss. The video speaks specifically of murder, not killing. Two different things. Your first point is a non sequitur. As to your first point, you answer your own question. "...belief in God isn't evidence based." True. It's a belief, not an observable fact. So, what is your point? The second point is well covered in the video. Did you watch it? Really? Your doubt is well covered in that the video ascribes objective morality to a belief in God. As a nonbeliever, yours morality must be subjective. That's not to say that one is good and the other bad. It simply is what it is.

CPT Jack Durish Yes, I did watch the video.

I don't claim that morality is or isn't objective. I'm simply claiming the video wasn't convincing either way.

I hate non sequiturs so maybe you can help me out with this:
-Objective: (of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.
-therefor objective morality must be evidence based and independently verifiable, not opinion based.
-Objective morality is impossible without gods
-the existence of god must be determined objectively, then these edicts must conclusively (based on other verifiable evidence) originate from this source.

See the problem is that the video did nothing to establish that morality can be objective without divine intervention. Since divine intervention hasn't been observed to the satisfaction of any evidence based research, I doubt the video's premises. And therefor, find no merit in its conclusion.

Whether an event is murder or killing is entirely based upon the facts presented regarding each situation. Sounds pretty relative to me. But I don't know if morality can be objectively determined or if it even exists outside of our collective consciousness.

I might have started rambling. Sorry about that.

SSgt Christopher Brose - Ignoring for a moment both sources are much more complex that what you presented. Both those definitions you presented also apply to killing people on the battlefield. Are soldiers killing people on the battlefield immoral?

SSgt Christopher Brose - even more damning, to use a legal definition for it to be objective you would have to find one used by all legal systems for all cultures over all time. I can assure you, that isn't there. The legal definition of murder is subjective.

Similarly you will have a problem with such a religious definition. If we didn't all Christians ether would be or would not be conscientious objectors on religious grounds. Even more damning is Catholic Church leaders have changed their position on what constitutes murder over time. If it were an objective item, that wouldn't have happened either as the interpretions have likewise been subjective. Even yours was subjective as it completely ignored other definitions of murder in the Bible, and to be honest I can't find the on you presented. Lot's of them in Numbers though.

You are either over-thinking this, or deliberately attempting to make it more complicated than it is. Both the law and the Bible recognize that you acting as an agent of the government (soldier, cop) is different than you acting on your own. In both cases, it is possible to commit murder, but as an agent of the government, killing enemy soldiers on a battlefield does not constitute murder.

If you are trying to argue that I would need to find a legal argument for all cultures over all time, I would agree with you that there isn't one... but then you are making exactly the same point as the video. Without an absolute standard, morality regarding murder is just an opinion.

@christopher brose I'm making it as complicated as it is. The problem you have to solve and the author of the video is what is the objective definition of murder. You have yet to provide one, religious or otherwise. Without it, any claims that religion objectively prohibits murder are meaningless. You make the case that under a religious Christian definition killing under the auspices of government is exempted. All I would have to do to show that isn't true is provide you with one Christian group that doesn't believe that. Do you think I can find such a group? If it were an objective definition I would not be able to.