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I'm such a bad boy. I really shouldn't share this. I know it's really going to push some people's buttons (and I know just who they are). I could say that I'm not sharing it for that purpose (but I am). Like I said, I'm a bad boy...
If There Is No God, Murder Isn't Wrong
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You do not have to believe in the Judeo Christian God to recognize that the moral values that came from there are the basis of western civilization, our moral codes and our laws.
If murder or theft or coveting or rape are wrong it is because we believe them to be wrong based upon an absolute moral code. That code comes from God. This moral code that flows from Judeo Christian values is a "common grace". That is to say that all people can enjoy the comfort of living under a moral/legal system based upon God's laws without actually having to believe in him.
The caution is that if enough people no longer believe in that moral code and all morality is societal based or individually based, no one will want to live there.
Two quotes from CS Lewis who was lost, then found.
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“My argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line. What was I comparing this universe with when I called it unjust?”
― C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity
“If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never know it was dark. Dark would be without meaning.”
― C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity
If murder or theft or coveting or rape are wrong it is because we believe them to be wrong based upon an absolute moral code. That code comes from God. This moral code that flows from Judeo Christian values is a "common grace". That is to say that all people can enjoy the comfort of living under a moral/legal system based upon God's laws without actually having to believe in him.
The caution is that if enough people no longer believe in that moral code and all morality is societal based or individually based, no one will want to live there.
Two quotes from CS Lewis who was lost, then found.
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“My argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line. What was I comparing this universe with when I called it unjust?”
― C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity
“If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never know it was dark. Dark would be without meaning.”
― C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity
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I'll wait for the proof that moral code comes from a god. Until such time, it is just an assertion with no basis in fact.
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I watched it twice ... and agree with it. One need only look at the "moral relativism" that has emerged over the past decade ... to at least understand the point of the video clip. We've reached the point where a collective opinion, not an absolute, defines right and wrong.
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Civilizations across the globe had codified laws and morals many thousands of years before the invention of the Christian god. Morals and laws are the product of individual empathy and collective societal norms.
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CPT Jack Durish
Those ancient texts did not proscribe morals. They were laws by which people were punished for stealing the property of the sovereign. People were the sovereign's property. Their lives were the sovereign's property. Their labor and the product of their labor were the sovereign's property. The Hebrew covenant was a contract among sovereign people whose life and property were their own. Each individual accepts the covenant or rejects it. Thus, they are bound to moral behavior, not illegal behavior, of their own choice. In those other instances, the subjects of the sovereign were bound to obey the laws of the sovereign or be punished by the sovereign. There was not consequence beyond death. That's a vast difference.
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