Posted on Apr 18, 2016
In Marines' new fitness plan, pullups for women won't be mandatory
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How can this not be a reduction in standards?
"Marine leaders have proposed a new physical fitness test that would still allow women to do the flexed-arm hang — but they're not likely to earn a first-class score without pullups.
A new plan for the PFT would require most women to do between eight and 10 pullups to net a max score on that portion of the test.
The potential change is in response to a fitness review ordered by Commandant Gen. Robert Neller. Marine leaders found that “some current [fitness] standards are either not relevant, not challenging or not attainable,” according to a briefing obtained by Marine Corps Times. The plan was presented to Marine leaders last week.
MARINE CORPS TIMES
Generals propose huge changes to Marine Corps fitness tests
Women would still be allowed to do the flexed-arm hang under a new proposal, but would be given little incentive to do so. Points for the flexed-arm hang would max out at 50, while one pullup would be worth 51 points."
"Marine leaders have proposed a new physical fitness test that would still allow women to do the flexed-arm hang — but they're not likely to earn a first-class score without pullups.
A new plan for the PFT would require most women to do between eight and 10 pullups to net a max score on that portion of the test.
The potential change is in response to a fitness review ordered by Commandant Gen. Robert Neller. Marine leaders found that “some current [fitness] standards are either not relevant, not challenging or not attainable,” according to a briefing obtained by Marine Corps Times. The plan was presented to Marine leaders last week.
MARINE CORPS TIMES
Generals propose huge changes to Marine Corps fitness tests
Women would still be allowed to do the flexed-arm hang under a new proposal, but would be given little incentive to do so. Points for the flexed-arm hang would max out at 50, while one pullup would be worth 51 points."
In Marines' new fitness plan, pullups for women won't be mandatory
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The Marine Corps PFT has never been fair. Males had to do pull ups and females had to do the arm hang. This was because science and experience showed that women do not have the upper body strength that would allow them to perform pull ups as well as males. This really has nothing to do with conditioning. It does have to do with differences in physiology between males and females. Females lack the male hormone, testosterone, which allows males to build and retain muscle strength. Females are, and always will be, handicapped when it comes to strength activities.
Despite this known science, the Corps has been ordered by Secretary of the Navy and monumental ass clown, Ray Mabus, to make boot camp co-educational and to allow females to volunteer for certain combat arms and special operations units that have previously been unavailable to them because of the known science.
Since the Marine Corps has no choice in the matter, the Marine Corps is doing what it does when challenged with a insurmountable problem; attacking it head on by giving females a great incentive to train to build upper body strength. The problem is that this still ignores the science, which says females will never be able to build or retain as much muscle strength as males due to lack of testosterone.
So if a female performs one pull up, she gets 51% of her score and only has to do 8 to 10 pull ups to get 100 percent in the pull ups event on the Marine Physical Fitness Test. A male, on the other hand, has to perform 20 pull ups to max the event. This may sound unfair, but it's a lot more fair than males doing pull ups and females doing arm hangs for the same scores, which, by the way, still remains in effect; pull ups are voluntary for females.
Hopefully, the Marine Corps is requiring females to meet the same requirements as males before being allowed to volunteer for infantry or special operations units.
Despite this known science, the Corps has been ordered by Secretary of the Navy and monumental ass clown, Ray Mabus, to make boot camp co-educational and to allow females to volunteer for certain combat arms and special operations units that have previously been unavailable to them because of the known science.
Since the Marine Corps has no choice in the matter, the Marine Corps is doing what it does when challenged with a insurmountable problem; attacking it head on by giving females a great incentive to train to build upper body strength. The problem is that this still ignores the science, which says females will never be able to build or retain as much muscle strength as males due to lack of testosterone.
So if a female performs one pull up, she gets 51% of her score and only has to do 8 to 10 pull ups to get 100 percent in the pull ups event on the Marine Physical Fitness Test. A male, on the other hand, has to perform 20 pull ups to max the event. This may sound unfair, but it's a lot more fair than males doing pull ups and females doing arm hangs for the same scores, which, by the way, still remains in effect; pull ups are voluntary for females.
Hopefully, the Marine Corps is requiring females to meet the same requirements as males before being allowed to volunteer for infantry or special operations units.
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Cpl McMiller, I totally agree with you on the our body makeup is not the same as the women. But I really think that we have elected politicians who don't know what a basic fire team makeup is and their responsibility to the overall mission. As I said before, let them change the rules of engagement because every conflict or war we Marines have been in so far has been costly. Nothing is further from the truth about how close combat tactics and the mission to complete it is not your everyday video games. War brings death, destruction and destroys families, friends and love ones. So yes I have to say that it will be interesting to see what happens to our beloved Marine Corps. I hope that my fellow Marines from the past speak out and say something. Anything would be better than nothing said Right?
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I think the Commandant is right on the money. Why change something in the PFT when what really matters is doing a lot more combat arms related testing. The PFT is just one stepping stone to a bigger picture. We should be doing Marine combat tactics at the lowest level possible. Especially in the support units. I think if DOD really want the Armed Services to adapt to their focus on having women in the Combat Arms MOS, then they better start sending the women to the SOI's right after boot camp. We either going to make them or break them. Again, like I said before, combat arms is not for the faint heart. It is grueling to the point that men do breakdown.
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Across all branches, would you think it may be safe to reduce men's standards and slightly raise women's to meet in the middle somewhere? Or would you say this could lead to unhealthy troops.
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SrA Eddie,
What is your standards? Are you ready for the Big One? Do you really think that reducing any physical activity would accomplish your mission? Or compromise it? What do you say Senior Airmen Eddie?
What is your standards? Are you ready for the Big One? Do you really think that reducing any physical activity would accomplish your mission? Or compromise it? What do you say Senior Airmen Eddie?
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