Posted on Jun 14, 2016
LGBTQ Gun Rights Group on Orlando: 'Guns Didn't Do This, A Human Who Hated Gays Did'
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Finally, some practical suggestions for dealing with this problem.
"At such a time of tragedy, let us not reach for the low-hanging fruit of blaming the killer’s guns. Let us stay focused on the fact that someone hated gay people so much they were ready to kill or injure so many. A human being did this. The human being’s tools are unimportant when compared to the bleakness of that person’s soul. I say again, GUNS did not do this. A human being did this, a dead human being. Our job now is not to demonize the man’s tools, but to condemn his acts and work to prevent such acts in the future"
"At such a time of tragedy, let us not reach for the low-hanging fruit of blaming the killer’s guns. Let us stay focused on the fact that someone hated gay people so much they were ready to kill or injure so many. A human being did this. The human being’s tools are unimportant when compared to the bleakness of that person’s soul. I say again, GUNS did not do this. A human being did this, a dead human being. Our job now is not to demonize the man’s tools, but to condemn his acts and work to prevent such acts in the future"
LGBTQ Gun Rights Group on Orlando: 'Guns Didn't Do This, A Human Who Hated Gays Did'
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Capt Seid Waddell
PO1 John Miller, terrorists kill with bombs and knives as well as with guns. Focusing on the tool instead of the killers is foolish as well as ineffective.
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Ideology, on this topic for the left, almost always trumps fact and reason. It is the state of affairs in a society unable to do basic root cause analysis and determine what is causing these sorts of attacks. There are common denominators and causes. Inanimate objects, even potentially lethal ones cause nothing. Those being honest about it know this to be true.
You can make fair arguments that law enforcement might have failed un in this case by not more aggressively pursuing this loser but in the final analysis it was his world view, his own mind, his own heart and his actions that caused this, no one else, nothing else (unless there were co-conpirators involved). To look elsewhere or at other things is self deception and will cause us not to begin addressing and going after the hear of the matter.
You can make fair arguments that law enforcement might have failed un in this case by not more aggressively pursuing this loser but in the final analysis it was his world view, his own mind, his own heart and his actions that caused this, no one else, nothing else (unless there were co-conpirators involved). To look elsewhere or at other things is self deception and will cause us not to begin addressing and going after the hear of the matter.
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Capt Seid Waddell
Cpl Jeff N., exactly. Reason cannot change attitudes that reason had no part in forming.
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I predict gays at clubs will now be armed or at least have undercover armed security like it or not!
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Capt Michael Greene
Capt Seid Waddell - Every crazy killer was, the day before, just another guy. I doubt that either of us would support a government doing "sanity checks" from time to time. The way our society is constituted (and believe me, I think our Constitution is wonderful), any Joe can purchase an armory filled with fairly powerful weaponry, and no one is allowed to check to see if Joe is a borderline schizo, wife-beating, Army of God sovereign citizen who fills his Facebook page with glowing accounts of cop killings. In fact, Joe and his buds can carry, loaded, while they surround a place of worship and intimidate the religious folk inside. I understand that's America, but it seems like we could do better than that as a society.
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Capt Seid Waddell
Capt Michael Greene, "Every crazy killer was, the day before, just another guy."
This is not true.
In the case of Adam Lanza, his mother was trying to have him committed to a mental facility just before he murdered her and went on his killing spree.
In the case of Jared Lee Loughner, his teachers and classmates were so afraid of him that he had been kicked out of the community college over concerns for their safety. The police were also aware of the danger he presented to society, and his parents had tried to have him committed.
In the case of James Holmes, he had been slipping into serious mental disease since age 11, and had alarmed instructors and friends on campus prior to his shooting spree.
In the case of the Tsarnaev brothers, Russian intelligence had notified the FBI of the connection with terrorist training cells in Russia, but the FBI failed to follow up.
In the case of Syed Rizwan Farook, and his wife, Tashfeen Malik; their parents were aware of their support for ISIS and their "hobby" of making pipe bombs. Their house was a pipe bomb factory. Malik had a terrorist supporting trail on social media that the State Dept. failed to investigate until after the shootings.
In the case of Omar Mateen, the story is still coming out, but he was known to be an unstable, angry individual that made violent threats to others from grade school forward, and his father has been tied to radical Islamist groups.
In every case of mass shootings the killer(s) had raised numerous red flags that had been ignored. These people were a clear and present danger regardless of the kind of weapons that fell to hand.
It is not possible to remove all of the dangerous objects from society so that these unstable people can safely roam freely among us. Identifying and warehousing the killers before they can strike is the only effective way of protecting our society.
Gun control measures are a distraction; there are hundreds of millions of firearms in circulation and only a minute number of them are ever abused.
We need criminal control and psycho control - not gun control which hits the vast bulk of gun owners which are not part of the problem and cannot prevent dangerous people from killing in one way or another.
This is not true.
In the case of Adam Lanza, his mother was trying to have him committed to a mental facility just before he murdered her and went on his killing spree.
In the case of Jared Lee Loughner, his teachers and classmates were so afraid of him that he had been kicked out of the community college over concerns for their safety. The police were also aware of the danger he presented to society, and his parents had tried to have him committed.
In the case of James Holmes, he had been slipping into serious mental disease since age 11, and had alarmed instructors and friends on campus prior to his shooting spree.
In the case of the Tsarnaev brothers, Russian intelligence had notified the FBI of the connection with terrorist training cells in Russia, but the FBI failed to follow up.
In the case of Syed Rizwan Farook, and his wife, Tashfeen Malik; their parents were aware of their support for ISIS and their "hobby" of making pipe bombs. Their house was a pipe bomb factory. Malik had a terrorist supporting trail on social media that the State Dept. failed to investigate until after the shootings.
In the case of Omar Mateen, the story is still coming out, but he was known to be an unstable, angry individual that made violent threats to others from grade school forward, and his father has been tied to radical Islamist groups.
In every case of mass shootings the killer(s) had raised numerous red flags that had been ignored. These people were a clear and present danger regardless of the kind of weapons that fell to hand.
It is not possible to remove all of the dangerous objects from society so that these unstable people can safely roam freely among us. Identifying and warehousing the killers before they can strike is the only effective way of protecting our society.
Gun control measures are a distraction; there are hundreds of millions of firearms in circulation and only a minute number of them are ever abused.
We need criminal control and psycho control - not gun control which hits the vast bulk of gun owners which are not part of the problem and cannot prevent dangerous people from killing in one way or another.
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Capt Michael Greene
I'm a big defender of rights, and I want the US to be a peaceful and prosperous place. Criminal control and psycho control? I think I know what you mean. But I worry about that. In this direction of thinking, we would need to identify and control those people before they commit their crimes. Actually, you are right to say they would have to be warehoused. But who decides that, and where do we draw the line? The "Army of God" organization has turned people into bombers and assassins. The "sovereign citizen" ideology has resulted in a lot of murders, especially of police. Recently, militiamen announced their intention to occupy federal land and fight LEO to the death; one even made a tearful goodbye video to his family. Should we have warehoused the Bundy family as soon as Cliven decided not to pay his land-use fees?
Clearly, in the "people control" direction of thinking, there would have to be a whole lot of Constitutional rights "bent." And then there's that religion of a billion people whose god destroys cities, who requires death to homosexuals; a lot of their kind end up killing for their version of god. In fact, one of their national leaders said he was on a "crusade" a few years back. You might be right that "identifying and warehousing the killers before they can strike is the only effective way of protecting our society." But it seems to me that instead, we could make some progress by licensing ownership and destroying the hi cap mags.
Gotta go for now, but I appreciate your explanations. Voted up for fact-based debate.
Clearly, in the "people control" direction of thinking, there would have to be a whole lot of Constitutional rights "bent." And then there's that religion of a billion people whose god destroys cities, who requires death to homosexuals; a lot of their kind end up killing for their version of god. In fact, one of their national leaders said he was on a "crusade" a few years back. You might be right that "identifying and warehousing the killers before they can strike is the only effective way of protecting our society." But it seems to me that instead, we could make some progress by licensing ownership and destroying the hi cap mags.
Gotta go for now, but I appreciate your explanations. Voted up for fact-based debate.
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