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This is political theater. It will annoy as many people as it pleases. I believe that all lives matter and we won't fix anything by symbolic gestures. We need to return civics classes to schools wherein children are taught the relationship between rights and responsibilities. We need to support our law enforcement officers with proper training and equipment. There's more, much more, but those would be a good start.
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True. Unfortunately we have many, many people who do not understand the difference between a right and a "privilege". Nowadays it seems that a "right" is whatever makes you happy at the time. Sad.
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I am somewhat biased since family member is in law enforcement and respect all who will come to my rescue. If anyone reads the article, it is when first responders are targeted or attacked. When I see the listed categories of hate crime protections, this is not a problem. Just don't try to kill or injure those that risk their lives daily.
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SSG Warren Swan
Master Chief, it's just the principle of it. Over the last year regardless of race, whenever there is a police involved shooting certain catchphrases are always used. I fear that this law only adds to that list. A profession is NOT a minority group. If that is the case, then Presidents should be the ultimate "minority" group. Could you imagine one of your Sailors coming to you saying you're discriminating against him and his minority status? You ask how and he said "you're a BM, and I'm an CT". There are more BM's than CT's. I'm not really sure if that is true, but that is what this can turn to.
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MCPO Roger Collins
SSG Warren Swan - Apples and oranges, many laws and secret service protecting the President, the hate crime status is redundant IMO with regard to anyone. None of the first responders are actively trying to find victims.
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SSG Warren Swan
MCPO Roger Collins - And that's exactly the point. I used the President as an extreme example then used the rates as another closer to home thing. This is a case of overreach and a needless bit of legislation. Police officers also have a rather substantial number of laws protecting them, so we add one more?
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MCPO Roger Collins
SSG Warren Swan - Just one we have to disagree on. Protection exists for nearly everything, we need to get rid of some of those. We see things from different perspectives and I see your point of view, but the Feds and hate crimes is just a way to abrogate the 10th amendment.
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Good. This needs to be EVERYWHERE.
And basic criminal law already protects law enforcement, emergency responders, federal agents, and teachers. It clearly wasn't enough. The objective is to make it 'too risky' to kill a damn cop. No other profession approaches a civilian in this country and gets shot specifically for the uniform they are wearing, not even the military. It's a hate crime, as proven.
And basic criminal law already protects law enforcement, emergency responders, federal agents, and teachers. It clearly wasn't enough. The objective is to make it 'too risky' to kill a damn cop. No other profession approaches a civilian in this country and gets shot specifically for the uniform they are wearing, not even the military. It's a hate crime, as proven.
SSG Warren Swan
Less than 1% of the country has served in the military. We get killed and it's "part of the job". We raised our hands and agreed to do it. SAME WITH THEM. Your job does NOT equate "protected minority status". If so, like I mentioned above, every single living congressman and President should be rounded up and sent to prison for mass murder. There is no way to verify if it IS a hate crime, and if the perp is dead, then what's the point? You're elevating someone who should be of the people ABOVE the people they are NOT required by law to do a damn thing for.
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SSG Warren Swan
There is a fundamental difference between being mobilized for war overseas, later being killed by an enemy combatant sponsored by a terrorist organization, than being killed in your back yard by someone who is targeting your profession, just for helping the community. There simply can't be an HONEST comparison between police vs. military when it comes to U.S. citizen-police related fatalities.
I'll break it down Barney style. Read the following sentence out loud:
"Bob is black. William says 'let's kill all black people'; then physically attacks Bob."
Is this a hate crime? Now let's replace colors of skin, with job profession:
"Bob is a cop. William says 'let's kill all cops'; then physically attacks Bob."
The authoritative categories of hate crimes include [perceived] race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, and disability. What's proposed is to basically include "profession."
Now how exactly were the original categories determined? Oh that's right, they were all minority groups being violently and unfairly persecuted by a larger group. How many citizens advocate for the death of cops? How many cops are there in service?
I guess they are indeed a MINORITY GROUP. Your argument is fallacious and without basis.
There is a fundamental difference between being mobilized for war overseas, later being killed by an enemy combatant sponsored by a terrorist organization, than being killed in your back yard by someone who is targeting your profession, just for helping the community. There simply can't be an HONEST comparison between police vs. military when it comes to U.S. citizen-police related fatalities.
I'll break it down Barney style. Read the following sentence out loud:
"Bob is black. William says 'let's kill all black people'; then physically attacks Bob."
Is this a hate crime? Now let's replace colors of skin, with job profession:
"Bob is a cop. William says 'let's kill all cops'; then physically attacks Bob."
The authoritative categories of hate crimes include [perceived] race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, and disability. What's proposed is to basically include "profession."
Now how exactly were the original categories determined? Oh that's right, they were all minority groups being violently and unfairly persecuted by a larger group. How many citizens advocate for the death of cops? How many cops are there in service?
I guess they are indeed a MINORITY GROUP. Your argument is fallacious and without basis.
SSG Warren Swan
SPC Corbin Sayi - well high speed, again cops ARE not a minority group. It has nothing to do with mobing to go overseas, or going into the city to arrest anyone. A JOB does not give ANYONE protected status. If that is what you think makes it "ok" go for it. Federal Statures do not mention JOB in ANY part of what a protected class or minority class is. So break that down in crayon if you need to.
Read this out loud:
Rob is a cop, john is a steelworker, what difference does it make?
John is a steelworker, Jane is a nurse. They BOTH have jobs.
Nowhere in any officially made legislation is a JOB given minority status. Should this go to court, it will be thrown out. Can you hate cops YES. Can cops hate you? YES, so should a cop shoot a white man and the cop is white the cop wins just by saying the guy said he doesn't like cops? Really? 1A wold eat that right up. Anyone can say they don't like ANYBODY. Protected speech. Anyone can say they want to kill someone. 1A will again protect you, but if it happens, it's your ass. 1A will not protect you from the repercussions.
Minority: The smaller part of a group. A group within a country or state that differs in race, religion or national origin from the dominant group. According to EEOC guidelines, minority is used to mean four particular groups who share a race, color or national origin.
These groups are:
American Indian or Alaskan Native. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of North America, and who maintain their culture through a tribe or community.
Asian or Pacific Islander. A person having origins in any of the original people of the Far East, Southeast Asia, India, or the Pacific Islands. These areas include, for example, China, India, Korea, the Philippine Islands, and Samoa.
Black (except Hispanic). A person having origins in any of the black racial groups of Africa.
Hispanic. A person of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Central or South American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race.
The many peoples with origins in Europe, North Africa, or the Middle East make up the dominant white population. Of course, many more minority groups can be identified in the American population. However, they are not classified separately as minorities under EEO law. It should be noted that women are not classified as a minority. However, they have experienced the same kind of systematic exclusion from the economy as the various minorities. Thus, they are considered as having "minority status" as far as the law is concerned.
Where in there does it mention JOB?
Read this out loud:
Rob is a cop, john is a steelworker, what difference does it make?
John is a steelworker, Jane is a nurse. They BOTH have jobs.
Nowhere in any officially made legislation is a JOB given minority status. Should this go to court, it will be thrown out. Can you hate cops YES. Can cops hate you? YES, so should a cop shoot a white man and the cop is white the cop wins just by saying the guy said he doesn't like cops? Really? 1A wold eat that right up. Anyone can say they don't like ANYBODY. Protected speech. Anyone can say they want to kill someone. 1A will again protect you, but if it happens, it's your ass. 1A will not protect you from the repercussions.
Minority: The smaller part of a group. A group within a country or state that differs in race, religion or national origin from the dominant group. According to EEOC guidelines, minority is used to mean four particular groups who share a race, color or national origin.
These groups are:
American Indian or Alaskan Native. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of North America, and who maintain their culture through a tribe or community.
Asian or Pacific Islander. A person having origins in any of the original people of the Far East, Southeast Asia, India, or the Pacific Islands. These areas include, for example, China, India, Korea, the Philippine Islands, and Samoa.
Black (except Hispanic). A person having origins in any of the black racial groups of Africa.
Hispanic. A person of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Central or South American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race.
The many peoples with origins in Europe, North Africa, or the Middle East make up the dominant white population. Of course, many more minority groups can be identified in the American population. However, they are not classified separately as minorities under EEO law. It should be noted that women are not classified as a minority. However, they have experienced the same kind of systematic exclusion from the economy as the various minorities. Thus, they are considered as having "minority status" as far as the law is concerned.
Where in there does it mention JOB?
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