Posted on Aug 9, 2023
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China's population was 1.412 billion (2021). This guy says that every one of them is watched all the time in order to see what they are all doing. This seems a bit far-fetched to me. How would the Chinese government manage to do this? And who (how many) would be watching and interpreting what all 1.412 billion are doing all the time?
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MSG Billy Brumfield
When you have things like Alexa, iPhones, computers etc.. it's not difficult at all. Combine that with nosy neighbors reporting their comrades (see something, say something) to their local government offices, not difficult. 100% coverage isn't needed, a large percentage living in fear and paranoia of being found out is all that is needed for control. Especially when you have state control of the media, or in our case, 95% of the media extremely biased and loyal to a narrative.
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MSG Billy Brumfield - But again, Billy, what is the government going to do with all such information? Assimilating and then analyzing billions of pieces of data? Again, I still don't believe the guy saying that every last Chinese is being watched, examined, inspected, scanned, studied, scrutinized, perused, investigated, probed, and gone over. . . .
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MSG Billy Brumfield
SPC (Join to see) - How Does China’s Social Credit System Work?
The China social credit system rates individuals based on the aggregation and analysis of data. In some trials, this has involved a single numerical score (usually between 1 and 1000, like a FICO score), or a letter grade (usually from A-D).
This information is acquired from a range of sources including individual businesses (including ‘big tech’) and government entities. Some of the information is ‘siloed’, and accessible only by the individual regional or central government authority. But in many cases, the information is shared with other regulators through a centralized database, such as NCISP.
"My words in this paragraph: When you need some government entities permission to do anything, they have you complete a form or web application. That application collects what most would consider to be irrelevant information to what you're asking permission for. And it is, but it fills in another piece of the puzzle, think military intelligence and SITREPS."
Punishments in China’s Social Credit System
As the China social credit system is still in a state of evolution, it is impossible to say with certainty what exactly the negative consequences are. That said, based on those elements that are currently in place, as well as existing regional pilots, potential negative effects of a bad score once fully implemented include:
Travel bans
Reports in 2019 indicated that 23 million people have been blacklisted from travelling by plane or train due to low social credit ratings maintained through China’s National Public Credit Information Center. It is reasonable to assume that this will continue as part of China’s social credit system.
School bans
The social credit score may prevent students from attending certain universities or schools if their parents have a poor social credit rating. For example, in 2018 a student was denied entry to University due to their father’s presence on a debtor blacklist.
Reduced employment prospects
Employers will be able to consult blacklists when making their employment decisions. In addition, it is possible that some positions, such as government jobs, will be restricted to individuals who meet a certain social credit rating.
Increased scrutiny
Businesses with poor scores may be subject to more audits or government inspections.
Public shaming
In many cases, regulators have encouraged the ‘naming and shaming’ of individuals presented on blacklists. In addition, flow-on effects may make it difficult for businesses with low scores to build relationships with local partners who can be negatively impacted by their partnership.
The China social credit system rates individuals based on the aggregation and analysis of data. In some trials, this has involved a single numerical score (usually between 1 and 1000, like a FICO score), or a letter grade (usually from A-D).
This information is acquired from a range of sources including individual businesses (including ‘big tech’) and government entities. Some of the information is ‘siloed’, and accessible only by the individual regional or central government authority. But in many cases, the information is shared with other regulators through a centralized database, such as NCISP.
"My words in this paragraph: When you need some government entities permission to do anything, they have you complete a form or web application. That application collects what most would consider to be irrelevant information to what you're asking permission for. And it is, but it fills in another piece of the puzzle, think military intelligence and SITREPS."
Punishments in China’s Social Credit System
As the China social credit system is still in a state of evolution, it is impossible to say with certainty what exactly the negative consequences are. That said, based on those elements that are currently in place, as well as existing regional pilots, potential negative effects of a bad score once fully implemented include:
Travel bans
Reports in 2019 indicated that 23 million people have been blacklisted from travelling by plane or train due to low social credit ratings maintained through China’s National Public Credit Information Center. It is reasonable to assume that this will continue as part of China’s social credit system.
School bans
The social credit score may prevent students from attending certain universities or schools if their parents have a poor social credit rating. For example, in 2018 a student was denied entry to University due to their father’s presence on a debtor blacklist.
Reduced employment prospects
Employers will be able to consult blacklists when making their employment decisions. In addition, it is possible that some positions, such as government jobs, will be restricted to individuals who meet a certain social credit rating.
Increased scrutiny
Businesses with poor scores may be subject to more audits or government inspections.
Public shaming
In many cases, regulators have encouraged the ‘naming and shaming’ of individuals presented on blacklists. In addition, flow-on effects may make it difficult for businesses with low scores to build relationships with local partners who can be negatively impacted by their partnership.
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