Posted on Mar 28, 2018
Montana Gun Owners Rally Against the March For Our Lives - The Daily Show with Trevor Noah (Video...
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Easy enough to find non-eloquent people and edit a video segment to support your viewpoint.
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TSgt David L.
PFC Jim Wheeler - We have had previous discussions but it apparently left less of an impression than I thought. I guess it happens.
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Cpl Tom Surdi
PFC Jim Wheeler - We had a philosophical difference of opinion in several other posts where I made my views quite clear. Then he assumes by odd I meant that I wanted to take people's guns away. He's took my statement to the extreme, it's an absurd way to debate.
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PFC Jim Wheeler
Reductio ad absurdum is indeed a poor way to debate.
I know tone is hard to convey online, and is often shaped by prior experience, but it really did seem as if he was legitimately asking if that is something you believe.
I know tone is hard to convey online, and is often shaped by prior experience, but it really did seem as if he was legitimately asking if that is something you believe.
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Cpl Tom Surdi
PFC Jim Wheeler -Except he already knows that I don't believe that. Because we went over that quite thoroughly in the previous posts.
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I'm going to try and ignore the fact this is the "Daily Show"; about one step up from SNL, and focus on the primary issue, as opposed to the "comments" which may/may not be part of a scripted show aimed at satire.
The question of whether you are "for" or "against" maintaining the current interpretation of the 2nd Amendment is a simple one to answer; Do "you" feel owning a tool whose sole purpose is killing is ethical?
I do.
It would be wonderful (truly) if all the world could sit down and unanimously agree to never harm each other again. They won't, and so long as there are threats to individual safety and freedom...the right to bear arms is a vital one. Those who argue that the Military or Law Enforcement alone should wield this power are ignoring both the inability for these entities to do this in 100% of all circumstances, and the fundamental right for individuals to provide their own protections.
Does my "right" to own a potentially lethal instrument translate to risks? Absolutely. How can/should those risks be managed? By responsibility, training and sound judgement. Will there be those who fail in that responsibility, leading to access by those with evil intent? Yes. Does this fact mitigate my rights? No.
Every time I pick up my current weapon, I consider the risks in possessing it vs. the risks of not possessing it. Each time, the latter wins out.
Does the message of these children change my mind? No. Neither does it make me feel guilty, conflicted, or confused. In fact, it makes me even more convinced I should keep it. Why? Because common sense tells me that neither repealing the 2nd Amendment, nor eventual attempts to seize any specific "type" of weapon will succeed at any appreciable scale. This leaves me asking "why" is something so obviously futile, so important to so many?
The only answer I can arrive at is that for a host of reasons, ranging from the "well-intended" to the Machiavellian...some people desperately want to "convince" the rest of us that we neither need, nor should want these weapons. That concerns me.
With great respect those who disagree, I'd prefer to see a detailed argument, incorporating critical thinking and acknowledgement of the realities, rather than an endless stream of re-posted articles, video clips and "memes". If you really, truly support taking away my rights...make a decent argument for both why and how you feel it should be done, rather than relying on others to lay out the points.
Just my two cents.
The question of whether you are "for" or "against" maintaining the current interpretation of the 2nd Amendment is a simple one to answer; Do "you" feel owning a tool whose sole purpose is killing is ethical?
I do.
It would be wonderful (truly) if all the world could sit down and unanimously agree to never harm each other again. They won't, and so long as there are threats to individual safety and freedom...the right to bear arms is a vital one. Those who argue that the Military or Law Enforcement alone should wield this power are ignoring both the inability for these entities to do this in 100% of all circumstances, and the fundamental right for individuals to provide their own protections.
Does my "right" to own a potentially lethal instrument translate to risks? Absolutely. How can/should those risks be managed? By responsibility, training and sound judgement. Will there be those who fail in that responsibility, leading to access by those with evil intent? Yes. Does this fact mitigate my rights? No.
Every time I pick up my current weapon, I consider the risks in possessing it vs. the risks of not possessing it. Each time, the latter wins out.
Does the message of these children change my mind? No. Neither does it make me feel guilty, conflicted, or confused. In fact, it makes me even more convinced I should keep it. Why? Because common sense tells me that neither repealing the 2nd Amendment, nor eventual attempts to seize any specific "type" of weapon will succeed at any appreciable scale. This leaves me asking "why" is something so obviously futile, so important to so many?
The only answer I can arrive at is that for a host of reasons, ranging from the "well-intended" to the Machiavellian...some people desperately want to "convince" the rest of us that we neither need, nor should want these weapons. That concerns me.
With great respect those who disagree, I'd prefer to see a detailed argument, incorporating critical thinking and acknowledgement of the realities, rather than an endless stream of re-posted articles, video clips and "memes". If you really, truly support taking away my rights...make a decent argument for both why and how you feel it should be done, rather than relying on others to lay out the points.
Just my two cents.
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