Navy files homicide charges against commanders of 2 ships in deadly crashes

Agreed, but it was also found that training was pencil whipped (which is common depending on the training), and it was accepted practice (which again isn't uncommon in any branch). But when said pencil whipping is an accepted thing within at Flag Level, the ships Skipper should/needs to take that L and be dealt with (they are), BUT those above them are also culpable when they knew, fostered, and accepted sup par training or pencil whipped training that allowed this to continue. If the onion was peeled back more, and harder, the onion would have a few stars in the center. Those stars should not be allowed to shield themselves from the pain. It only promotes the belief that if you're enlisted and O3 on down, there is one UCMJ, and O4-O10 another.

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Master Chief I agree with you, and I'm all for taking these men to task. But if the Admiral knew, promoted, and allowed sub par performance to happen under his command, those under him were sub par performers (regardless of reasons), the Skippers of the ship should be relieved and hooked up. YET those Admirals who conveniently are relieved and allowed to retire should NOT be allowed to make their subordinates take a fall for something they knew was happening, allowed to happen, and was willing to overlook the situation for years maybe. They should be right alongside those Commanders and willing to take that L train to Leavenworth with the ship commanders.
This reeks of the "Fat Leonard" bribery issue. Dude make some high level FO connections who committed these crimes while in uniform, yet the ones who are going to bear the brunt of the pain are those who were under them. The Navy is right in prosecuting them, but wrong for allowing those Admirals to escape or remain free with no repercussions to them.
I could be looking at it too narrow or maybe too broad, but I feel with this level of "mistakes" and lack of training something at the flag level should be held accountable with a penalty harsher than retirement at full benefits, or a LOT stronger than loosing a star with full retirement.

What I have found during my military and civilian career is when there are serious problems, the first casualty is the one that brings them to light. The person/persons are removed and careers severely limited. Most won’t fall on their swords. On the bright side, it usually results in improvements and resolution to most of the problems by those “ducking and covering”, during said problems.

MCPO Roger Collins - That is so true Master Chief. I just wish the ones above felt the same pain as those below them. Not saying those Skippers shouldn't be tried, they just shouldn't be the only ones. Two UCMJ's as usual.