Posted on Jun 21, 2021
New Zealand Weightlifter Will Be The First Openly Trans Competitor At The Olympics
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New Zealand Weightlifter Will Be The First Openly Trans Competitor At The Olympics
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Weightlifting
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel ]always informative and meaningful, thanks for the read and share my friend.
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For those who should probably do more research on transgender women in sports here you go.
Also - those people against transgender women in women's sports you truly don't care about how it affects women's sports (spoiler - it doesn't hurt cisgender women at all). You just push the fear mongering narrative you always push.
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/18/978716732/wave-of-new-bills-say-trans-athletes-have-an-unfair-edge-what-does-the-science-s
https://abcnews.go.com/US/trans-women-targeted-sports-bans-advantage/story?id=76909090
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trans-girls-belong-on-girls-sports-teams/
https://onherturf.nbcsports.com/2021/06/21/laurel-hubbard-weightlifting-transgender-women-not-threat-womens-sports/
"Firstly, trans women are women.
Furthermore, arguing that trans women are a threat to “fairness” or “equality” in women’s sports isn’t just transphobic. The argument is also built upon a fallacy. Because women’s sports aren’t fair."
"If women’s sports were fair, all athletes would have equal access to competitive opportunities.
And yet…
There was no widespread outrage five years ago at the 2016 Rio Games when the Olympic weightlifting program included 156 quota spots for men compared to 104 for women.
This summer’s Tokyo Olympics will actually mark the first time that weightlifting – a sport that has been included on every Olympic program over the last century – will welcome an equal number of men and women. In fact, the Tokyo Olympics are expected to be most gender-balanced Games in history, with women slated to make up 49 percent of all participants.
But an opportunity gap persists in other sports.
Sixteen men’s soccer teams will travel to Japan this summer, compared to 12 on the women’s side.
Cycling has spots for 300 men, but only 228 women.
And boxing – the most recent summer sport to include women – remains the most skewed; 206 men will travel to Tokyo, compared to only 80 women.
(Men, likewise, are excluded from two summer sports: artistic swimming and rhythmic gymnastics.)
Outside of the Olympics, the playing field is far less level."
Also - those people against transgender women in women's sports you truly don't care about how it affects women's sports (spoiler - it doesn't hurt cisgender women at all). You just push the fear mongering narrative you always push.
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/18/978716732/wave-of-new-bills-say-trans-athletes-have-an-unfair-edge-what-does-the-science-s
https://abcnews.go.com/US/trans-women-targeted-sports-bans-advantage/story?id=76909090
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trans-girls-belong-on-girls-sports-teams/
https://onherturf.nbcsports.com/2021/06/21/laurel-hubbard-weightlifting-transgender-women-not-threat-womens-sports/
"Firstly, trans women are women.
Furthermore, arguing that trans women are a threat to “fairness” or “equality” in women’s sports isn’t just transphobic. The argument is also built upon a fallacy. Because women’s sports aren’t fair."
"If women’s sports were fair, all athletes would have equal access to competitive opportunities.
And yet…
There was no widespread outrage five years ago at the 2016 Rio Games when the Olympic weightlifting program included 156 quota spots for men compared to 104 for women.
This summer’s Tokyo Olympics will actually mark the first time that weightlifting – a sport that has been included on every Olympic program over the last century – will welcome an equal number of men and women. In fact, the Tokyo Olympics are expected to be most gender-balanced Games in history, with women slated to make up 49 percent of all participants.
But an opportunity gap persists in other sports.
Sixteen men’s soccer teams will travel to Japan this summer, compared to 12 on the women’s side.
Cycling has spots for 300 men, but only 228 women.
And boxing – the most recent summer sport to include women – remains the most skewed; 206 men will travel to Tokyo, compared to only 80 women.
(Men, likewise, are excluded from two summer sports: artistic swimming and rhythmic gymnastics.)
Outside of the Olympics, the playing field is far less level."
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SFC Casey O'Mally
Your equality argument is built on a fallacy. How many women compete in weightlifting compared to men? How many box, compared to men?
When an event has radically more men vying for entry, it makes sense to have more slots. Especially in head to head sports like boxing. This is the Olympics. No one wants to watch (or win) a completely embarassing lopsided match. This is trebly true in an event like boxing where a horrendously outmatched opponent can be seriously injured.
How do your numbers look when viewed as a percentage of applicants, rather than straight numbers?
Lies, damn lies, and statistics. You can make the numbers say anything, if you remove (or falsely situate) context.
When an event has radically more men vying for entry, it makes sense to have more slots. Especially in head to head sports like boxing. This is the Olympics. No one wants to watch (or win) a completely embarassing lopsided match. This is trebly true in an event like boxing where a horrendously outmatched opponent can be seriously injured.
How do your numbers look when viewed as a percentage of applicants, rather than straight numbers?
Lies, damn lies, and statistics. You can make the numbers say anything, if you remove (or falsely situate) context.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
SFC Casey O'Mally - *Sigh* It's just pointless to even have a conversation with people like you.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
SFC Kelly Fuerhoff People like me? Who, exactly, are the people like me?
Do you mean people who do not automatically accept what you say as fact? People who instead apply critical thought? People who think about things logically, rather than emotionally?
Please note that I am not arguing for elimination of these events for females under the misguided concept of it being a "man's sport" or arguing that the female events are less WORTHY. Just that they have less people vying for a spot, so having less spots makes sense. I do not have numbers, but I am willing to bet dollars to donuts that even with fewer slots, a higher percentage of female olympic hopefuls punch their ticket in those events than do male olympic hopefuls.
This is the problem with discussions about equality and even more so with discussions about equity. Who decides what "equal" means? What metrics do we use?
If there are just as many women trying to be an olympic boxer as there are men, then absolutely they should get as many slots. But is admitting the top 10% of female candidates and only the top 2% of male candidates really equal? (And no, I do not think those are the actual numbers - I already stated I don't have them. Just using those numbers for example.)
And I will also absolutely admit that there is an argument to be made for "growing the sport." How do we get more people trying to compete if we don't showcase them competing at the highest level? Which is why I fully support including female events. But that doesn't *necessarily* mean we need to jump straight to the same number of slots for far fewer competitors.
Do you mean people who do not automatically accept what you say as fact? People who instead apply critical thought? People who think about things logically, rather than emotionally?
Please note that I am not arguing for elimination of these events for females under the misguided concept of it being a "man's sport" or arguing that the female events are less WORTHY. Just that they have less people vying for a spot, so having less spots makes sense. I do not have numbers, but I am willing to bet dollars to donuts that even with fewer slots, a higher percentage of female olympic hopefuls punch their ticket in those events than do male olympic hopefuls.
This is the problem with discussions about equality and even more so with discussions about equity. Who decides what "equal" means? What metrics do we use?
If there are just as many women trying to be an olympic boxer as there are men, then absolutely they should get as many slots. But is admitting the top 10% of female candidates and only the top 2% of male candidates really equal? (And no, I do not think those are the actual numbers - I already stated I don't have them. Just using those numbers for example.)
And I will also absolutely admit that there is an argument to be made for "growing the sport." How do we get more people trying to compete if we don't showcase them competing at the highest level? Which is why I fully support including female events. But that doesn't *necessarily* mean we need to jump straight to the same number of slots for far fewer competitors.
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