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CAN THEY DO THAT? Trump favors torture that's illegal
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Tough talk about torture is a guaranteed applause line for Donald Trump on the GOP presidential stump.
Trump has repeatedly advocated waterboarding, an enhanced interrogation technique that simulates the feeling of drowning.
"In the Middle East, we have people chopping the heads off Christians. ... I would bring back waterboarding and I'd bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding," he said to applause in a recent debate, without ever specifying what "a lot worse" would entail.
"I don't think we go far enough," he said, drawing loud clapping at a rally last week in Las Vegas.
"We don't go far enough," he repeated, prompting now-thundering applause and chants of "USA! USA!"
EDITORIAL COMMENT:-
So what if it's illegal and ineffective - it FEELS GOOD. Right?
So WHAT if the only likely results are to increase the passion of the Daeshites and bring contempt down on the United States of America from every civilized country - it FEELS GOOD. Right?
SO WHAT if it filed in the face of every virtue that makes up "The American Ideal" - it FEELS GOOD. Right?
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Tough talk about torture is a guaranteed applause line for Donald Trump on the GOP presidential stump.
Trump has repeatedly advocated waterboarding, an enhanced interrogation technique that simulates the feeling of drowning.
"In the Middle East, we have people chopping the heads off Christians. ... I would bring back waterboarding and I'd bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding," he said to applause in a recent debate, without ever specifying what "a lot worse" would entail.
"I don't think we go far enough," he said, drawing loud clapping at a rally last week in Las Vegas.
"We don't go far enough," he repeated, prompting now-thundering applause and chants of "USA! USA!"
EDITORIAL COMMENT:-
So what if it's illegal and ineffective - it FEELS GOOD. Right?
So WHAT if the only likely results are to increase the passion of the Daeshites and bring contempt down on the United States of America from every civilized country - it FEELS GOOD. Right?
SO WHAT if it filed in the face of every virtue that makes up "The American Ideal" - it FEELS GOOD. Right?
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Election 2016
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Posted 9 y ago
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Funny. One could argue the "feels good" stance on just about everything that EVERY candidate spouts. What's your point? Is it going to impact the Daeshites? Hell no! They hate us anyway. Would it potentially make SOME think twice about their actions? Probably not. But don't sit there and act like it's going to compound the problem because the bullshit hearts and minds fight hasn't done anything to solve the problem either!
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LTC (Join to see)
amen. the Daeshites already hate us and want to kill us. there is nothing we could do to make them hate us any more. And no amount of hand-wringing, bed-wetting appeasement is going to make them hate us any less.
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COL Ted Mc
SFC Justin Scott - Sergeant; My point is that simply because something "feels good" doesn't make it the correct course of action to take.
Quite frankly I couldn't care less whether the Daeshites feel more or less strongly averse to Christianity and/or Western Civilization.
On the other hand, however, I simply cannot see that anything productive is gained by driving the uncommitted into supporting the Daeshites because we lump them in with the Daeshites even when they aren't and then proceed to slaughter them wholesale because "'Our God Is Better Than Your God.' so we can do it (and, besides, even if that isn't true then we can still slaughter you just because we feel like it and you aren't as good as us).".
Quite frankly I couldn't care less whether the Daeshites feel more or less strongly averse to Christianity and/or Western Civilization.
On the other hand, however, I simply cannot see that anything productive is gained by driving the uncommitted into supporting the Daeshites because we lump them in with the Daeshites even when they aren't and then proceed to slaughter them wholesale because "'Our God Is Better Than Your God.' so we can do it (and, besides, even if that isn't true then we can still slaughter you just because we feel like it and you aren't as good as us).".
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COL Ted Mc
SSG Warren Swan - Staff; Won't happen. The US government does not acknowledge that the ICC has jurisdiction over the United States of America (although it does concede that the ICC has jurisdiction over every other country in the world [especially if the US government is the complaining party]).
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SSG Warren Swan
COL Ted Mc - Thank Sir. But if the international community finds out I (the military in general) did do something that violates a law, treaty, or whatever, someone is going to have to pay the price. Trump will not be anywhere near me when it comes to pay the piper. Sure he can make a few speeches, and say how "great" and "fantastic" I was, (more than likely, he won't say that, he'll conveniently damn me publicly to save his hide) but I'm going to be serving time. That isn't in doubt.
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COL Ted Mc
SSG Warren Swan - Staff; The signs in New York used to read "No Dogs or Irishmen". If the international community gets upset enough with the actions of the US government then you can expect that favorable trade deals will evaporate.
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I think what people are responding too is the weakness the U.S. has portrayed in the last 7+ years. Our friends do not trust us, our enemies are emboldened and we release enemy combatants (from Gitmo) that go back to the battlefield to fight us (at a rate of about 35% known).
Even your own article states "Trump has repeatedly advocated waterboarding, an enhanced interrogation technique that simulates the feeling of drowning". The key words, are simulates drowning. Not much of a torture considering what is being done to others by them.
We are soft while the enemy is brazen. They behead Christians, drown other muslims not radical enough for them, crucify, burn alive, throw gays off of buildings and starve and murder indiscriminately. They attack western cities and interests and recruit others to murder for them etc. etc. etc.
We worry too much about collateral damage so much so they did not hit known targets (the capital city) for the concern of possibly killing non combatants until after the attacks in Paris (Raqqa anyone).
This administration wrings it's hands over Gitmo as a recruiting tool even though there is no evidence to support it. There has been analysis of ISIS's monthly magazine looking for mentions of Gitmo, almost none found over a few years now. That begs the question, why can't we take out their ability to put out a monthly magazine for crying out loud?
What might be feeling good is people think there is a chance someone with a set might be in the White House next go around. Not so much that they support actual torture but they are simply exhausted from the lack of real effort to defeat a known enemy holding actual real estate in known areas and the lame excuses and policy we are fed daily.
Even your own article states "Trump has repeatedly advocated waterboarding, an enhanced interrogation technique that simulates the feeling of drowning". The key words, are simulates drowning. Not much of a torture considering what is being done to others by them.
We are soft while the enemy is brazen. They behead Christians, drown other muslims not radical enough for them, crucify, burn alive, throw gays off of buildings and starve and murder indiscriminately. They attack western cities and interests and recruit others to murder for them etc. etc. etc.
We worry too much about collateral damage so much so they did not hit known targets (the capital city) for the concern of possibly killing non combatants until after the attacks in Paris (Raqqa anyone).
This administration wrings it's hands over Gitmo as a recruiting tool even though there is no evidence to support it. There has been analysis of ISIS's monthly magazine looking for mentions of Gitmo, almost none found over a few years now. That begs the question, why can't we take out their ability to put out a monthly magazine for crying out loud?
What might be feeling good is people think there is a chance someone with a set might be in the White House next go around. Not so much that they support actual torture but they are simply exhausted from the lack of real effort to defeat a known enemy holding actual real estate in known areas and the lame excuses and policy we are fed daily.
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COL Ted Mc
Cpl Jeff N. - Corporal; Have you ever been "waterboarded"? Have you ever been "waterboarded" under conditions where you had no control over when it stopped? Have you ever been "waterboarded" under conditions where you had no control over when it stopped and when it was being done by people you fully believed hated you and all of your people?
"Torture" to obtain information is one thing - it's highly unreliable, the victim is likely to tell you anything you want to hear in order to have it stopped, the information is seldom timely, and you can only get answers to the questions which you actually ask.
"Torture" as punishment (especially as "collective punishment") is something which no civilized society condones.
I wouldn't say that there has been a lack of "real" effort to defeat a known enemy. However, I would agree that there has been a lack of "effective" efforts to defeat a known enemy.
I don't think that there has been a lack of "effective" efforts to defeat a known enemy because "someone" doesn't want them defeated. The cause is much more likely to be that the "controlling levels" of the US government and military simply don't have a clue as to how to go about combating an ideology that is so different from their own (of course the fact that the "controlling levels" of the US government and military simply don't have a clue about the culture and society of the Middle Easter states is a BIG contributor to the fact that they don't have a clue as to how to go about combating an ideology that is so different from their own).
"Torture" to obtain information is one thing - it's highly unreliable, the victim is likely to tell you anything you want to hear in order to have it stopped, the information is seldom timely, and you can only get answers to the questions which you actually ask.
"Torture" as punishment (especially as "collective punishment") is something which no civilized society condones.
I wouldn't say that there has been a lack of "real" effort to defeat a known enemy. However, I would agree that there has been a lack of "effective" efforts to defeat a known enemy.
I don't think that there has been a lack of "effective" efforts to defeat a known enemy because "someone" doesn't want them defeated. The cause is much more likely to be that the "controlling levels" of the US government and military simply don't have a clue as to how to go about combating an ideology that is so different from their own (of course the fact that the "controlling levels" of the US government and military simply don't have a clue about the culture and society of the Middle Easter states is a BIG contributor to the fact that they don't have a clue as to how to go about combating an ideology that is so different from their own).
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