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Thanks for an authoritative evaluation on weapon violence and crime. It's finally good to see some hard numbers support what is being explained other than the lies coming out of President Obama's (I mean Biden's) mouth.

People can have their own opinions, but not their own facts.
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The problem about discussing gun control is the advocates like to move the goal posts, overstate polls, and avoid discussing injuries and deaths caused by other objects when firearms are not available.
1) The gun control advocates constant message is "reasonable gun control measures", and then they add language to any measure that includes banning most firearms other than a mid-size revolver, registering ammunition, etc. This week, Joe Biden proposed banning all 9mms.
2) When gun control advocates cite polls, they seldom include a breakdown of who they asked including political party, where they were located, and the questions asked. You will get different answers from questions such as "should people own military firearms" and "should people be allowed to own 9mm handguns and rifles"?
3) Gun control advocates cite gun related mass shootings and deaths in the USA vs other countries but avoid talking about mass injuries and deaths in other countries vs the USA. The absence of firearms in other countries doesn't eliminate people injuring and killing others, they just use other weapons. Crime doesn't go down either; there are many countries that have strict gun control who have higher crime rates than the USA.
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PO1 Jeff Chandler
PO1 Jeff Chandler
6 mo
Well stated!
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SPC Colin Ahasay
SPC Colin Ahasay
6 mo
Your concerns are completely valid Master Sergeant. Unless I'm missing or misunderstanding something, the data shows the most likely scenario/shooter is:

1. In a workplace
2. With an illegally acquired handgun
3. In crisis with a history of experienced trauma
4. Not diagnosed with a mental illness
5. Has a criminal background of some form
6. Killer knows the victims

To me it just screams out of control revenge and a lack of being acknowledged. If guns and mental illness are left out of the discussion, the only rational question left is how the hell are we treating are fellow humans? Every solution is a waste if it doesn't allow for discussions about what is making someone think they have to harm others to be heard. Weapon laws are pointless if people still wind up wanting to kill one another.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
CPT Lawrence Cable
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Google Rampage Killings Europe, it is surprisingly more common in the EU than people here believe and most often with legal firearms.
What people often forget is that we are now the third most populated county in the world.
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SPC Colin Ahasay
SPC Colin Ahasay
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CPT Lawrence Cable - Roger that sir, it's also the least demographically homogeneous. There's never been a nation of this size and population that also has such a diverse array of backgrounds and beliefs, and that's not a bad thing, but it does come with some very unique challenges to social cohesion.

The real problems come along when the rights afforded by the constitution are not universally protected and guaranteed for all citizens, and there is a growing number of Americans who do not feel the federal government is doing an adequate job of protecting those rights.

EDIT: I wanted to hit on another point that was made by MSG Cristofaro, almost none of the gun crime studies conducted control for frequency variance in different geographic locations.
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PO1 Jeff Chandler
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It’s truly amazing that there are so many misconceptions and falsehoods about weapons on a veteran site. The maniacal 5.56 isn’t legal for hunting in most states because of its lack of lethality. It doesn’t meet minimum kinetic energy requirements to humanely kill medium and large game. #science
The conflation of the M16 (not even used by the military anymore) and the AR15 is also amazing. Auto vs semi-auto, issued for war vs not issued for war, short barrel (M4) vs 16” minimum, etc, etc, etc.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
CPT Lawrence Cable
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That statement is a bit dated. A lot of states have adopted an any centerfire rifle or handgun, leaving the hunter to be sensible. I don't know of a state that allows rifle hunting that doesn't allow you to use a 45 Long Colt, most will allow a .357 Magnum. Neither would approach the energy of a 5.56 with the proper bullet at 200 yards. I hunt some with a .243, which would be the ballistic cousin of the 5.56, and it's known as an effective Whitetail round at proper ranges.
Did you know that the Definition of Short Barrel Rifle and Shotgun was included in the 1934 National Firearms Act because the original intent was a ban on all handguns and that was seen as closing the loopholes. Of course, the Handgun Ban went over like a fart in a diving helmet, but the legacy of the criminal "Sawed Off Rifle and Shotgun" remains.
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PO1 Jeff Chandler
PO1 Jeff Chandler
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CPT Lawrence Cable They really aren’t cousins. The .243 is a necked down .308 and has been a small and medium game staple since the 50’s. It shoots a bigger bullet faster and has much more room for powder. The 556/223 is much smaller. It is legal to hunt small game in most states and medium sized game in around 3/4 of states. My point is, it does not have more lethality than many, many commonly used cartridges.
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