Posted on Mar 15, 2017
''Ryancare'' Dead on Arrival: Can We Please Now Try Single Payer?
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Every other industrialized country in the world has a better healthcare system for reasons like some of them that work with private insurers can negotiate with drug companies for better drug prices, and put caps on what insurance companies can charge. It's past time to do something about it.
''Ryancare'' Dead on Arrival: Can We Please Now Try Single Payer?
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Are you kidding me? Who told you every other industrialized country in the world has a better healthcare system? If I miss an appointment with my heart and vascular practice it is three months before I can reschedule. The reason; their practice is overwhelmed by Canadians, Scandinavians, and French. Less than 30% of their practice is Americans. Can you please tell those people to go home, since their system is so much better than ours.
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MCPO Roger Collins
LTC J G W - I tried to fina an a everage cost to the government for TRICARE in it's various forms, all I could find was the massive rollup. It is always interesting how people don't understand cost vs price when it comes to medical/dental coverage.
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LTC (Join to see)
PO3 Donald Murphy - Nope ... didn't catch that. I thought he was on the "insure to 26" option under Tricare ... which is pretty expensive. Doesn't change my comment though. Just out of curiosity, what is his deductible and what are his co-pays? I'd wager that your coverage costs well more than his. If you think of an iceberg, what you are paying is the tip sticking out of the water ... what DoD is paying is the part you can't see.
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PO3 Donald Murphy
LTC (Join to see) - Yeah if he was still at college he'd be covered. So he went under his work plan and was under that until age 23. Then he moved to a job that didn't offer a plan and found this one. It's pretty good with no deductables and no prescription costs. His office visits are about $35 - $50 or so. And he gets money off for having healthy lifestyle, etc. My baby is still covered as she is still "in school" so to speak.
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PO3 Donald Murphy - Each year in the DoD budget submission, they try to jack up premiums and co-pays, and charge for Tricare for Life. This has been going on since at least Bush's second term. Congress has pretty much refused the changes though they did index Tricare Prime premiums to COLA increases a few years back. However this year, there were some changes approved. You may find this from November last year of interest:
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/11/30/tricare-changes-coming-to-those-who-join-after-next-year.html
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/11/30/tricare-changes-coming-to-those-who-join-after-next-year.html
Tricare Changes Coming to Those Who Join After Next Year
Future retirees who join the military in 2018 or thereafter will pay higher fees for all Tricare plans.
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Another totally misleading article. Higher taxes, less healthcare would be the end result. We have folks from Canada coming to northern border sates to have procedures completed. Why? They have to wait for long periods of time to get in. And every one of these Nations is VASTLY smaller in population size to the USA. I say NO THANKS. I will keep what I have. Semper Fi.
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PO3 Donald Murphy
Misleading information. Brought to you by the folk who stand to lose trillions if you were to trash America's health scheme and come up with something else. The taxes are less. You as an American, pay more taxes than the average European. And for less coverage. Remember, your insurance premium buys you nothing except membership into the plan. You still have to pay office costs, co-payments, out of pocket expenses, prescriptions, etc, which the Europeans/Canadians do not.
Also, the wait times are exagerated. Your speed of care is the same as it is in the USA. The only caveat is that the care can deny you care. If you are a smoker and the doctor tells you to stop smoking prior to your next appointment - **AND YOU CHOOSE NOT TO** - then the doctor can (and occasionally does) refuse to see you. This is why alcoholic rock star David Crosby "came to America" to get a liver transplant. Not because "backwards England" couldn't get him one. Its because his doctor told him (rightfully so) "I'm not giving you a new liver when you're just going to turn around and waste it as well." And true to form, young David proceeded to trash his new American liver as well...
So the "death panels" talked about in America that "Europe has" is not true. If you are abusive and do not wish to get help for your abuse, you will be allowed to abuse yourself to death. Whereas in America, we will "care you to death" taking up many hospital beds to make sure that you truly never leave the hospital until the maximum dollar has been extracted from you.
Also, the wait times are exagerated. Your speed of care is the same as it is in the USA. The only caveat is that the care can deny you care. If you are a smoker and the doctor tells you to stop smoking prior to your next appointment - **AND YOU CHOOSE NOT TO** - then the doctor can (and occasionally does) refuse to see you. This is why alcoholic rock star David Crosby "came to America" to get a liver transplant. Not because "backwards England" couldn't get him one. Its because his doctor told him (rightfully so) "I'm not giving you a new liver when you're just going to turn around and waste it as well." And true to form, young David proceeded to trash his new American liver as well...
So the "death panels" talked about in America that "Europe has" is not true. If you are abusive and do not wish to get help for your abuse, you will be allowed to abuse yourself to death. Whereas in America, we will "care you to death" taking up many hospital beds to make sure that you truly never leave the hospital until the maximum dollar has been extracted from you.
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No. Absolutely not. No single payer. Dumbest idea ever. Just look at where they have single payer. Not the propaganda. The reality. Healthcare is rationed. Wait times often means that care arrives after death. The elderly are provided pain pills and told to go home and die (just look at the mortality rate among those of advanced years compared to the US). Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. What works? Free enterprise. Always has, always will. We just don't have the balls to let it work. Too many Americans are willing to surrender freedom for false promises. Now look at the free enterprise solutions that have sprung up between the cracks in the law in response to the ACA. Look at storefront healthcare providers, concierge doctors, and the rest. Look at the pharmacies and labs that provide cut rate pricing to cash only customers. What idiot would want to try single payer when free markets are so much better?
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SGT Jeremiah B.
MCPO Roger Collins - .12% of the Canadian population went abroad in 2016 and not necessarily to the US. Conversely, .47% of Americans did the same. Also, it went down in 2015. The article headline, which references a jump from 2013 to 2014, is no longer accurate.
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MCPO Roger Collins
12% and 47% went abroad for medical care rather than their home country? Got anything to show that?
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PO3 Donald Murphy
Not to jump in un-invited, but lets get some clarity first.
1. Single payer is not the only game in town in "single payer" nations. My English wife uses the NHS. I used a different scheme called BUPA. You have choice in Europe. You are not told this.
2. The "death panels" and "waits" exist here too. Your daughter needs her tonsils out: do they come out **RIGHT THIS MINUTE?** Or do you, I don't know...have to wait? Referrals anyone?
3. Your pharmacists in the drug stores are trained doctors and can see you/treat you. So wait time reporting in Europe is skewed. Bottom line? If you want to be seen TODAY you will be seen TODAY.
I'm an English green card holder and am in Europe every year by the way. So I'm not going by what sources say. I'm speaking on actual use.
1. Single payer is not the only game in town in "single payer" nations. My English wife uses the NHS. I used a different scheme called BUPA. You have choice in Europe. You are not told this.
2. The "death panels" and "waits" exist here too. Your daughter needs her tonsils out: do they come out **RIGHT THIS MINUTE?** Or do you, I don't know...have to wait? Referrals anyone?
3. Your pharmacists in the drug stores are trained doctors and can see you/treat you. So wait time reporting in Europe is skewed. Bottom line? If you want to be seen TODAY you will be seen TODAY.
I'm an English green card holder and am in Europe every year by the way. So I'm not going by what sources say. I'm speaking on actual use.
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