Posted on Aug 9, 2018
Saudi Arabia spat with Canada hits home at armoured vehicle plant in Ontario with 2,000 jobs on...
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This should be a lesson for Democrats in the United States. The Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau is not afraid to talk about social justice. When he does, it backfires on him. He talked about social justice with the Chinese and he did not get a trade deal. The Canadian government talked about social justice for dissident human rights people imprisoned within Saudi Arabia on a Twitter feed from the Canadian ambassador to Saudi Arabia and he got expelled. Thousands of Saudis who are in Canada for medical school or there for medical treatment or being asked by the kingdom to leave Canada as soon as possible. it's one thing if you try to talk social justice to an authoritarian government like Saudi Arabia and private. That probably won't cause any problems. When you put it on Twitter, Saturday via hits Canada in the pocket book something terrible. Hopefully, they don't jeopardize is 15 billion dollar armored vehicle agreement signed recently between Saudi Arabia and Canada. Saudi Arabia is making it very painful to Canada that you don't publicly condemned the kingdom. just because you get women to drive in Saudi Arabia doesn't mean that you can talk about social justice publicly with Saudi Arabia. It won't work!
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The left loves to talk about multiculturalism but when it comes right down to it, they don't care for some of these cultures around the world. There are loads of countries in Asia, the Middle East, Africa, South America and elsewhere that do not share our values, beliefs, view of equal rights etc. They may change, they may not, attempts at public humiliation or pressure can backfire.
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Cpl Jeff N.
MAJ Bryan Zeski These cultures are built on thousands of years of practice. They do not now, nor have they ever, believed as we do. There are far more countries and cultures that are significantly less free and open that we are. That is part of what makes their culture what it is.
The concept of multiculturalism is that no one culture is any better or different than any other. That is the heart of the matter. Nothing could be further from the truth.
To use the middle east as an example, I am not fan of Islam as a religion. I think it is oppressive and repressive and contrary to free and open societies. But I also recognize that people choose to accept that life/lifestyle/religion. If they did not accept it they would be in rebellion against it.
Part of what makes the middle east culture is their religion(s), beliefs, practices, food, art and a host of other things.
And spare me the notion that the left doesn't sacrifice human right over multiculturalism. The left (in the west) refuses to stand up to the Muslim world on their human rights abuses from FGM to killing gays to crucifixion and hosts of other practices contrary to human rights.
The concept of multiculturalism is that no one culture is any better or different than any other. That is the heart of the matter. Nothing could be further from the truth.
To use the middle east as an example, I am not fan of Islam as a religion. I think it is oppressive and repressive and contrary to free and open societies. But I also recognize that people choose to accept that life/lifestyle/religion. If they did not accept it they would be in rebellion against it.
Part of what makes the middle east culture is their religion(s), beliefs, practices, food, art and a host of other things.
And spare me the notion that the left doesn't sacrifice human right over multiculturalism. The left (in the west) refuses to stand up to the Muslim world on their human rights abuses from FGM to killing gays to crucifixion and hosts of other practices contrary to human rights.
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen - I'm not sure who your question is directed at, but, I think that both sides DO care about human rights to some extent. It's to WHAT extent that the question falls into.
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
Cpl Jeff N. - We disagree about the concept of multiculturalism, I think. Multiculturalism does not mean accepting every culture, and every aspect of that culture, as equal.
I'm not a fan of religion as a whole - Islam and Christianity included - both are, and have been oppressive over the past few centuries to their own people and to others. However, I can accept, understand and support the practice of much of both religions and cultures of those religions. I don't have to support Islam's oppression of women and the reduction of their rights in order to understand the history, traditions and importance of those on their culture.
You say, "the left" refuses to stand up to the Muslim world about their rights, but how do you mean that they are refusing? I see countless "left" folks rail against Muslim atrocities on a daily basis. What I don't see is a "left" government (Canada) negotiating and cowtowing to these nations in order to increase local jobs. I DO see where a certain "right" nation (USA) has made efforts to increase ties with these nations for the sake of $ - even if it means ignoring human rights issues.
I'm not a fan of religion as a whole - Islam and Christianity included - both are, and have been oppressive over the past few centuries to their own people and to others. However, I can accept, understand and support the practice of much of both religions and cultures of those religions. I don't have to support Islam's oppression of women and the reduction of their rights in order to understand the history, traditions and importance of those on their culture.
You say, "the left" refuses to stand up to the Muslim world about their rights, but how do you mean that they are refusing? I see countless "left" folks rail against Muslim atrocities on a daily basis. What I don't see is a "left" government (Canada) negotiating and cowtowing to these nations in order to increase local jobs. I DO see where a certain "right" nation (USA) has made efforts to increase ties with these nations for the sake of $ - even if it means ignoring human rights issues.
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I guess it comes down to what is more important, money or morals. Regan talked social justice with the Soviets because it was the right thing to do.
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See I think the Canadian Press is misreporting on this. The Trudeau family has a reputation with approaching issues and people like Battery Acid thrown on the face. It's not that he brought up Human Rights is how he did it disrespectfully that pissed off the Saudi's (they even said that themselves). It's a big reason why the United States refuses to mediate and told the Canadians to fix it themselves. His father was the same way......with diplomacy. It runs in the family, in my opinion.
He pissed off Trump as well on the whole Tarriffs deal. All he had to say was that Canada recognizes there is a problem and they stand willing to talk about it. Instead he comes off as some kind of Tough guy telling POTUS Canada isn't going to be pushed around. Very stupid way to handle this, play to the domestic audience but inflame the trade issue to a level it didn't need to be taken to......probably reason #2 that Trump doesn't want to bail him out on Saudi Arabia.
Also, the Saudis stated publicly this started with the way the Liberals in Canada's parliament handled the approval process of the Armored Vehicle contract which they felt was a done deal by the previous Conservatives. Instead the deal was dragged through the mud in public by the Liberals. Then came the highly public human rights comments that were phrased in a way that the Saudi's felt was treating them disrespectfully.
He pissed off Trump as well on the whole Tarriffs deal. All he had to say was that Canada recognizes there is a problem and they stand willing to talk about it. Instead he comes off as some kind of Tough guy telling POTUS Canada isn't going to be pushed around. Very stupid way to handle this, play to the domestic audience but inflame the trade issue to a level it didn't need to be taken to......probably reason #2 that Trump doesn't want to bail him out on Saudi Arabia.
Also, the Saudis stated publicly this started with the way the Liberals in Canada's parliament handled the approval process of the Armored Vehicle contract which they felt was a done deal by the previous Conservatives. Instead the deal was dragged through the mud in public by the Liberals. Then came the highly public human rights comments that were phrased in a way that the Saudi's felt was treating them disrespectfully.
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He also blew it with China trying to be too liberal Progressive
https://globalnews.ca/news/4137838/canada-china-free-trade-deal/
https://globalnews.ca/news/4137838/canada-china-free-trade-deal/
China rejects ‘progressive’ elements of free trade deal with Canada
Justin Trudeau has been unable to persuade China's leaders to formally entrench labour, gender, environment and governance issues in the negotiating framework of the free trade talks.
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LTC (Join to see) - Yes, with the Chinese that stuff should remain behind closed doors because the Chinese are deeply insulted if you say something publicly that is critical of China without allowing them the ability to save face as they call it. It goes back beyond Communism to when the Nationalists ran the country. They did not like to be talked down to.......the Communists got it from the Nationalists. So you can expect that Taiwan has the same issue.
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