Study Questions Voter ID’s Suppression of Turnout

It's the quintessential get-offended-on-behalf-of-someone-else phenomenon, when the people getting offended make drastically wrong assumptions about the people on whose behalf they are getting offended.

This would give our voting the same measure of integrity that Mexico and India have.

I agree.

SSG Michael Hartsfield - I may be an ass (not particularly respectful or tolerant), but I don't assume you are incapable of doing things normal adults can do simply because your skin is a different color than mine.

SSgt Christopher Brose - Noted but riddle me this, Batman. Why do you feel that just because someone doesn't share your political viewpoint that they are somehow less than you AND why post this slanted...interview not once but twice?

SSG Michael Hartsfield - I'll probably post it again the next time the subject of voter ID comes up. Whether you believe it or not, I don't believe that just because someone doesn't share my political viewpoint is somehow less than me.

One of my life mottos is, "What you believe is only as good as why you believe it." I try to have good reasons for believing the things I believe. If people believe something different, and they present reasons for believing what they believe that are better than my reasons for believing what I believe, then it's on me to reevaluate my reasons and reassess my beliefs. If someone believes something different and they have shitty reasons, then I have no qualms about sticking to my guns.

You obviously don't like the video, but you haven't really explained why. Yes, it's biased (or "slanted"), but that doesn't make it incorrect or invalid. That video is specifically about voter ID, but it's a microcosm of a greater liberal phenomenon. I suppose I should ask --do YOU think blacks have an inherently more difficult time getting a state issued ID than whites do? If so, why? If not, what is your objection to the video?

SSgt Christopher Brose - I don't like the video not just because how it cast liberals as out of touch and obtuse but it was done in Berkeley, California on a college campus asking White people that have no idea of what they are talking about because they have never had encountered anything like it in California AND they are asking Black people from the same area that, while they have IDs, may not have IDs that they could use to vote with in states that do require voter ID. Additionally, for me, this video is the equivalent of poverty porn, only it's conservatives that get to laugh at and feel superior to liberals even though they may live in areas that knowingly have voter ID laws that do disproportionally affect minority groups. Moreover, this video fails to show how voter IDs don't just affect minorities but also affect the poor and the elderly that didn't and never had to proof they had the right to vote prior to these laws.
Now if this interview was in Texas, Mississippi, or Alabama where there has been historically recorded instances of voter suppression and gerrymandering and this person ask those same questions to residents living there (as well as change the title of this video to reflect the question he truly wanted answered) it would have been far more credible. However, asking people these questions in a state that doesn't have voter ID laws and acting as though they are a representative sample of people that live in states that DO is a misrepresentation at best and grossly disingenuous at worse. Also, casting this video as "How White Liberals Really Feel About Black People" is the same as saying that it's only snow and ice in Alaska or that it doesn't rain in Afghanistan. If you don't live there, you don't know and can only go off what you THINK you know. The only things this video shows, and it's not some greater liberal phenomenon, is that if you don't go outside of where you live and see other things, your view of the world doesn't change and as much information we all have access to people, on both sides of the political spectrum, don't use that information to increase their knowledge or expand their understanding of our nation or world but to confirm and find other people to confirm their biases.

I'm looking through this article and it says that it's cited it's facts on a report from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study (CCES) but they don't have anything after 2015. So where is this article?

SSG Michael Hartsfield If you click the blue hyperink in the article where the words "new study" first appears, it takes you to the report.

While augmented national survey data have useful applications, they have limited use in
this context. The CCES survey is not designed to be representative of small populations like those lacking photo IDs, and many of the discrepancies we identify are due to substantial year-to-year differences in measurement and record linkage. Future research on voter ID laws and turnout should look elsewhere. Given the existing evidence, researchers should turn to data that allow more precision than one can obtain from a national survey sample. Such measures could include linking voter databases to records of ID holders (Ansolabehere and Hersh 2016), or custom-sampling surveys of individuals affected by voter ID laws. While strategies like these may require partnerships with governments and financial resources, such investments are commensurate with the importance of research on electoral institutions
So, to sum it up, this is not vindication on any level and it still needs to be researched further to see if voter suppression is as widespread and pervasive as asserted

SSG Michael Hartsfield I hear you on small sample size, my problem with this survey is this. How can anyone tell the difference between voter suppression and suspension of voter fraud? Lets imagine two districts with high minority voter turn out. then voter ID kicks in, and the turn out drops by 10% (just pulling a number out of my ass) How are we do distinguish if those 10% were just fraudulent voters that we are the right believe in, or people who somehow can't figure out how to get a state issued ID, the same ID you need to buy cigarettes, beer, or sign up for any social services. For me to believe the narrative that minorities can't get ID I would also have to believe that they would be equally affected in other areas, but I NEVER hear of anyone complaining the minorities are affected in any other area. Logic would dictate that if 21 year old minorities couldn't buy beer that there would be a national outcry.