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Top brass claims personnel costs are swamping DoD, but budget figures say otherwise
Just saw this article on Army times website. I give all credit to the author of the article, but wish to spread this to the Rally Point community as it shows something that I have feared for quite some time. They want to keep attacking military/DoD Civ pay when in fact the real problem is with weapon systems development and spending.
http://www.armytimes.com/article/20131124/BENEFITS02/311240019/Top-brass-claims-personnel-costs-swamping-DoD-budget-figures-say-otherwise
Edited addition as of 2/27/2014:
Found a site that is relatively reliable reporting.
http://nationalpriorities.org/analysis/2011/analysis-fiscal-year-2012-pentagon-spending-request/?redirect=cow
Ignoring
navy ships which cost Billions each, I will highlight the cost of
aircraft and unmanned aircraft. This seems ludicrous to me how much
these cost, and I work in Army acquisitions and am privy to how much the
army spends on certain things. Even for me, these figures make me
blanche. Some of the math doesn't add up, so I researched some more and
the additional money in each program accounts for R&D and manpower
and logistics such as spare parts etc.
AIRCRAFT
F/A-18E/F Fighter
$2,661.9 million requested for 28 aircraft$93.4 million -- per unit cost$48,091.4 million -- total program cost
F-22 Fighter
$1,063.6 requested$354.9 million -- per unit cost$66,714.1 million -- total program cost
F-35 Fighter (JSF)
$9,732.8 million requested for 32 aircraft (13 Navy and 19 Air Force)$133.6 million -- per unit cost$328,252.9 million -- total program cost
E/A-18G Jamming Aircraft
$1,124.6 million requested for 12 aircraft$101.3 million -- per unit cost$11,550.1 million -- total program cost
C-17 Transport Aircraft
$538.7 million requested$311.6 million -- per unit cost$69,497.0 million -- total program cost
C-27J Joint Cargo Aircraft
$598.8 million requested for 9 aircraft for the Air Force$52.9 million -- per unit cost$2,010.5 million -- total program cost
C-130J Cargo Aircraft
$1,257.7 million requested for 12 aircraft (1 Navy and 11 Air Force)$90.3 million -- per unit cost$15,178.1 million -- total program cost
KC-X Next Generation Airborne Tanker
$877.1 million requested
V-22 Osprey Aircraft
$2,971.4 million requested for 36 aircraft (30 Navy and 6 Air Force)$115.5 million -- per unit cost$52,899.0 million -- total program cost
UH-60M "Blackhawk" Helicopter
$1,618.9million requested for 75 aircraft$19.2 million -- per unit cost$23,681.7 million -- total program cost
MH-60R "Seahawk" Helicopter
$1,028.3 million requested for 24 aircraft$47.5 million -- per unit cost$14.241.0 million -- total program cost
MH-60S "Knighthawk" Helicopter
$513.5 million requested for 18 aircraft$29.0 million -- per unit cost$7,975.7 million -- total program cost
UH-72A "Lakota" Light Utility Helicopter
$250.4 million requested for 39 aircraft$47.8 million -- per unit cost$12,139.4 million -- total program cost
$1,635.4 million requested for 3 aircraft for the Air Force$178.0 million -- per unit cost$13,708.3 million -- total program cost
Reaper UAV
$1,216.1 million requested for 48 aircraft$30.3 million -- per unit cost$11,834.8 million -- total program cost
To hear the top brass talk sometimes, you might think the biggest threat to national security is your paycheck.
Just saw this article on Army times website. I give all credit to the author of the article, but wish to spread this to the Rally Point community as it shows something that I have feared for quite some time. They want to keep attacking military/DoD Civ pay when in fact the real problem is with weapon systems development and spending.
http://www.armytimes.com/article/20131124/BENEFITS02/311240019/Top-brass-claims-personnel-costs-swamping-DoD-budget-figures-say-otherwise
Edited addition as of 2/27/2014:
Found a site that is relatively reliable reporting.
http://nationalpriorities.org/analysis/2011/analysis-fiscal-year-2012-pentagon-spending-request/?redirect=cow
Ignoring
navy ships which cost Billions each, I will highlight the cost of
aircraft and unmanned aircraft. This seems ludicrous to me how much
these cost, and I work in Army acquisitions and am privy to how much the
army spends on certain things. Even for me, these figures make me
blanche. Some of the math doesn't add up, so I researched some more and
the additional money in each program accounts for R&D and manpower
and logistics such as spare parts etc.
AIRCRAFT
F/A-18E/F Fighter
$2,661.9 million requested for 28 aircraft$93.4 million -- per unit cost$48,091.4 million -- total program cost
F-22 Fighter
$1,063.6 requested$354.9 million -- per unit cost$66,714.1 million -- total program cost
F-35 Fighter (JSF)
$9,732.8 million requested for 32 aircraft (13 Navy and 19 Air Force)$133.6 million -- per unit cost$328,252.9 million -- total program cost
E/A-18G Jamming Aircraft
$1,124.6 million requested for 12 aircraft$101.3 million -- per unit cost$11,550.1 million -- total program cost
C-17 Transport Aircraft
$538.7 million requested$311.6 million -- per unit cost$69,497.0 million -- total program cost
C-27J Joint Cargo Aircraft
$598.8 million requested for 9 aircraft for the Air Force$52.9 million -- per unit cost$2,010.5 million -- total program cost
C-130J Cargo Aircraft
$1,257.7 million requested for 12 aircraft (1 Navy and 11 Air Force)$90.3 million -- per unit cost$15,178.1 million -- total program cost
KC-X Next Generation Airborne Tanker
$877.1 million requested
V-22 Osprey Aircraft
$2,971.4 million requested for 36 aircraft (30 Navy and 6 Air Force)$115.5 million -- per unit cost$52,899.0 million -- total program cost
UH-60M "Blackhawk" Helicopter
$1,618.9million requested for 75 aircraft$19.2 million -- per unit cost$23,681.7 million -- total program cost
MH-60R "Seahawk" Helicopter
$1,028.3 million requested for 24 aircraft$47.5 million -- per unit cost$14.241.0 million -- total program cost
MH-60S "Knighthawk" Helicopter
$513.5 million requested for 18 aircraft$29.0 million -- per unit cost$7,975.7 million -- total program cost
UH-72A "Lakota" Light Utility Helicopter
$250.4 million requested for 39 aircraft$47.8 million -- per unit cost$12,139.4 million -- total program cost
$1,635.4 million requested for 3 aircraft for the Air Force$178.0 million -- per unit cost$13,708.3 million -- total program cost
Reaper UAV
$1,216.1 million requested for 48 aircraft$30.3 million -- per unit cost$11,834.8 million -- total program cost
On February 14, 2011 the Obama Administration released its proposed Fiscal Year 2012 budget for the federal government. As part of this budget, the Administration is seeking $553 billion in funding fo...
To hear the top brass talk sometimes, you might think the biggest threat to national security is your paycheck.
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They can definetly look as some other options everytime I go away for training I see massive amounts of wasted money. For example I went to a 5 week long class and I had to stay at a hotel because the Army doesn't offer/have housing for TDY soldiers. My hotel bill for this was 3500 dollars, almost 30 people with me do the math 105k for that one class that over 1Million in housing for the year in this course alone. That military base has at least ten courses going at a time. Why cant they just make a facility to house us it can't possbly be less expensive to put us up in hotels. I think they should take a deep look at how money is spent before they chop soldiers out of the Army and put them back into a strained workforce.
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IF you look at the big picture - the entire DOD budget since 1962, you can see that the Total Obligation Authority for personnel pay and housing has remained relatively consistent. Some fuzzy math going on somewhere!
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SGT Thomas Sullivan
Nice Graphic! Points out things in easy to read colors. our Weapons/operations/Research budget is ludicrous
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Does anyone perhaps know how much the F-22 Program cost tax payers over the past 10 years?
How many of those birds are flying now?
How many of those birds are flying now?
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MSgt (Join to see)
I want to say the F-22 program reached the service's production goal of 187, but I'm not sure.
The F-35 program is costing far far far more than the F-22 program did and running into far more problems, and it's ostensibly supposed to be the low side of our high-low setup.
The F-35 program is costing far far far more than the F-22 program did and running into far more problems, and it's ostensibly supposed to be the low side of our high-low setup.
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SGT Thomas Sullivan
Found a site that is relatively reliable reporting.
http://nationalpriorities.org/analysis/2011/analysis-fiscal-year-2012-pentagon-spending-request/?redirect=cow
Ignoring navy ships which cost Billions each, I will highlight the cost of aircraft and unmanned aircraft. This seems ludicrous to me how much these cost, and I work in Army acquisitions and am privy to how much the army spends on certain things. Even for me, these figures make me blanche. Some of the math doesn't add up, so I researched some more and the additional money in each program accounts for R&D and manpower and logistics such as spare parts etc.
AIRCRAFT
F/A-18E/F Fighter
$2,661.9 million requested for 28 aircraft$93.4 million -- per unit cost$48,091.4 million -- total program cost
F-22 Fighter
$1,063.6 requested$354.9 million -- per unit cost$66,714.1 million -- total program cost
F-35 Fighter (JSF)
$9,732.8 million requested for 32 aircraft (13 Navy and 19 Air Force)$133.6 million -- per unit cost$328,252.9 million -- total program cost
E/A-18G Jamming Aircraft
$1,124.6 million requested for 12 aircraft$101.3 million -- per unit cost$11,550.1 million -- total program cost
C-17 Transport Aircraft
$538.7 million requested$311.6 million -- per unit cost$69,497.0 million -- total program cost
C-27J Joint Cargo Aircraft
$598.8 million requested for 9 aircraft for the Air Force$52.9 million -- per unit cost$2,010.5 million -- total program cost
C-130J Cargo Aircraft
$1,257.7 million requested for 12 aircraft (1 Navy and 11 Air Force)$90.3 million -- per unit cost$15,178.1 million -- total program cost
KC-X Next Generation Airborne Tanker
$877.1 million requested
V-22 Osprey Aircraft
$2,971.4 million requested for 36 aircraft (30 Navy and 6 Air Force)$115.5 million -- per unit cost$52,899.0 million -- total program cost
UH-60M "Blackhawk" Helicopter
$1,618.9million requested for 75 aircraft$19.2 million -- per unit cost$23,681.7 million -- total program cost
MH-60R "Seahawk" Helicopter
$1,028.3 million requested for 24 aircraft$47.5 million -- per unit cost$14.241.0 million -- total program cost
MH-60S "Knighthawk" Helicopter
$513.5 million requested for 18 aircraft$29.0 million -- per unit cost$7,975.7 million -- total program cost
UH-72A "Lakota" Light Utility Helicopter
$250.4 million requested for 39 aircraft$47.8 million -- per unit cost$12,139.4 million -- total program cost
$1,635.4 million requested for 3 aircraft for the Air Force$178.0 million -- per unit cost$13,708.3 million -- total program cost
Reaper UAV
$1,216.1 million requested for 48 aircraft$30.3 million -- per unit cost$11,834.8 million -- total program cost
http://nationalpriorities.org/analysis/2011/analysis-fiscal-year-2012-pentagon-spending-request/?redirect=cow
Ignoring navy ships which cost Billions each, I will highlight the cost of aircraft and unmanned aircraft. This seems ludicrous to me how much these cost, and I work in Army acquisitions and am privy to how much the army spends on certain things. Even for me, these figures make me blanche. Some of the math doesn't add up, so I researched some more and the additional money in each program accounts for R&D and manpower and logistics such as spare parts etc.
AIRCRAFT
F/A-18E/F Fighter
$2,661.9 million requested for 28 aircraft$93.4 million -- per unit cost$48,091.4 million -- total program cost
F-22 Fighter
$1,063.6 requested$354.9 million -- per unit cost$66,714.1 million -- total program cost
F-35 Fighter (JSF)
$9,732.8 million requested for 32 aircraft (13 Navy and 19 Air Force)$133.6 million -- per unit cost$328,252.9 million -- total program cost
E/A-18G Jamming Aircraft
$1,124.6 million requested for 12 aircraft$101.3 million -- per unit cost$11,550.1 million -- total program cost
C-17 Transport Aircraft
$538.7 million requested$311.6 million -- per unit cost$69,497.0 million -- total program cost
C-27J Joint Cargo Aircraft
$598.8 million requested for 9 aircraft for the Air Force$52.9 million -- per unit cost$2,010.5 million -- total program cost
C-130J Cargo Aircraft
$1,257.7 million requested for 12 aircraft (1 Navy and 11 Air Force)$90.3 million -- per unit cost$15,178.1 million -- total program cost
KC-X Next Generation Airborne Tanker
$877.1 million requested
V-22 Osprey Aircraft
$2,971.4 million requested for 36 aircraft (30 Navy and 6 Air Force)$115.5 million -- per unit cost$52,899.0 million -- total program cost
UH-60M "Blackhawk" Helicopter
$1,618.9million requested for 75 aircraft$19.2 million -- per unit cost$23,681.7 million -- total program cost
MH-60R "Seahawk" Helicopter
$1,028.3 million requested for 24 aircraft$47.5 million -- per unit cost$14.241.0 million -- total program cost
MH-60S "Knighthawk" Helicopter
$513.5 million requested for 18 aircraft$29.0 million -- per unit cost$7,975.7 million -- total program cost
UH-72A "Lakota" Light Utility Helicopter
$250.4 million requested for 39 aircraft$47.8 million -- per unit cost$12,139.4 million -- total program cost
$1,635.4 million requested for 3 aircraft for the Air Force$178.0 million -- per unit cost$13,708.3 million -- total program cost
Reaper UAV
$1,216.1 million requested for 48 aircraft$30.3 million -- per unit cost$11,834.8 million -- total program cost
On February 14, 2011 the Obama Administration released its proposed Fiscal Year 2012 budget for the federal government. As part of this budget, the Administration is seeking $553 billion in funding fo...
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