Posted on Oct 30, 2017
Triggers and Safe Spaces - We Have Created an Ineffective Society - OpsLens
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It's difficult to take any criticism seriously when it's coming from the same people who are losing their minds over losing their national safe space to immigrants.
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MSgt Danny Hope
SSG Jessica Bautista - Take a look at the stats for 2016. Also notice that deportations were way higher from 2008-2014:
https://www.ice.gov/removal-statistics/2016
I haven't found any stats that indicate "European" vs "Latin American", but everyone here illegally should be deported.
I agree enforcement should be realistic and humane, but both criminal and civil laws are still laws. If you don't pay a traffic ticket, you can go to jail. You seem to believe that some laws are minor and can be ignored...where do you draw the line between minor and major crimes? Do you advocate selective enforcement? If you believe a law is unjust, it can be changed...ignoring it only puts people at risk for the punishment. In fact, the parents that you mentioned are in this position PRECISELY because they chose to ignore the law. Who should bear the responsibility for that?
https://www.ice.gov/removal-statistics/2016
I haven't found any stats that indicate "European" vs "Latin American", but everyone here illegally should be deported.
I agree enforcement should be realistic and humane, but both criminal and civil laws are still laws. If you don't pay a traffic ticket, you can go to jail. You seem to believe that some laws are minor and can be ignored...where do you draw the line between minor and major crimes? Do you advocate selective enforcement? If you believe a law is unjust, it can be changed...ignoring it only puts people at risk for the punishment. In fact, the parents that you mentioned are in this position PRECISELY because they chose to ignore the law. Who should bear the responsibility for that?
FY 2016 ICE Immigration Removals
ICE consists of three directorates to accomplish the agency’s mission, including Homeland Security Investigations (HSI), Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO) and Management and Administration (M&A).
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SSG Jessica Bautista
MSgt Danny Hope I get it, but the differences in severity of the crime still matters in terms of punishment. Deporting people with families, jobs, homes to countries they haven't lived in for decades is cruel. Even more so, their children shouldn't have to lose everything over something the equivalent to a traffic ticket. The punishment is excessive and costs us much more than writing up a citation and following up on the legal process to be a legal resident. Also, fear of deportation makes it less likely that they will report actual crime. I just don't see the advantage of deportation for non-violent crimes.
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MSgt Danny Hope
SSG Jessica Bautista - Nobody is talking about deporting the children, congress is supposed to be addressing the issue in the new immigration policy. Deportation for non-violent crimes will only happen when the opportunity is provided to get back in line. I have relatives that have waited for decades to immigrate here (and still waiting), letting people cut in line is bad policy. Being fearful of deportation is a result of making bad choices. There are people who have been here illegally for decades, they had every chance to fix the issue, but chose for, one reason or another, not to. There are ways to become legal...always have been, but to selectively enforce laws is to undermine the system. It should NEVER be OK for some people to break the law that others have to follow. Again, who is responsible for the whole issue? The people who CHOSE to break the law and now claim to be "victims".
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CPT Jack Durish
SSG Jessica Bautista - Are you familiar with the term "quibbling"? The issues of refugees and illegal aliens are separate and distinct. And no, there aren't a helluva lot of Europeans sneaking across the border. An ocean is a lot greater a deterrent than a river. And the issue with refugees had nothing to do with legality. It had to do with vetting. Finally, illusions of using children as bait may tug at the heart strings but it has no place in rational debate about the serious issues created by the presence of many millions of illegal aliens. Finally, as to the issue of criminality, I never brought it up. A person who commits a crime is a criminal. A person who breaks the law is a law breaker. If the law they break is not a criminal law, they are not a criminal. However, good citizenship does not quibble over this distinction. Good citizens honor the law, both criminal and non-criminal. We honor our word, make good on our promises, abide by contracts, etc.
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