Posted on Mar 27, 2017
Trump shifts blame for health-care collapse to far right
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This is exactly what im talking about. You know what a real leader, man, or women would do, if something they were in charge of failed? They would except blame. What Trump fails to realize their is nothing wrong with failing if you are trying. This guy just blames the liberals then shifts it to the GOP. Everyone gets blame except this man. This is so unacceptable. OWN IT!!!
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I think the whole thing is to be blamed on everyone, left, right, and middle. Washington DC is a mess right now. These "leaders" are acting like children on a playground. Sadly, their playground is the US and the impact goes beyond one kid taking their ball home and the game being canceled. If you want to blame anyone for last week's activities, lets hold them all responsible.
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SGT Ben Keen
SSG Michael Hartsfield - I agree that the GOP needs to hold the majority of the blame for sure. My comment wasn't just centered on their failed attempt to remove Obamacare but I was hoping to touch on all the failures we have witnessed coming from the hill. Politics should be more about working together towards the common good rather than dividing us even further.
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SFC William H.
SGT Ben Keen: I agree with you 100%........about the two parties.....however, we have to remember the cause of the problem here.....a bill passed, that the people did not know what was in it and the party responsible for it did not even read or debate it.......the result is what we have now.....another issue to divide this nation
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SCPO Jason McLaughlin
SFC William H. - Do you mean the bill that was debated and compromised on in the White House, in committee, and on the hill, for 15 months before it was passed? Do you even know Speaker Pelosi's whole quote? Do you want to know if it won't fit your narrative?
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PO1 Rodney Bracey
Politicians on both sides of the aisle are more worried about pandering to their misguided, emotionally affiliated base than actually policy making.
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The head line is wrong. The collapse of the Affordable Care Act is still looming. Since not one Republican had a hand in writing it or passing it, the Democrats still own it no matter how they try to label it.
What is going on right now in the Republican Party in regards to the ACA is like two insurance adjusters arguing over the decision to write the wrecked car off as "totaled", or to send it to collision repair to try o fix it. The funny thing is the insurance adjusters don't realize there was no wreck, the engineers actually designed it that way.
What is going on right now in the Republican Party in regards to the ACA is like two insurance adjusters arguing over the decision to write the wrecked car off as "totaled", or to send it to collision repair to try o fix it. The funny thing is the insurance adjusters don't realize there was no wreck, the engineers actually designed it that way.
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SCPO Jason McLaughlin
"Since not one Republican had a hand in writing it or passing it, the Democrats still own it no matter how they try to label it."
John, you need to check the veracity of this statement. Republicans had a huge hand in writing it. Just not in passing it....
John, you need to check the veracity of this statement. Republicans had a huge hand in writing it. Just not in passing it....
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Maj John Bell
SCPO Jason McLaughlin -
Max Baucus - Democrat
Liz Fowler - Democrat
Jonathan Gruber - Democrat
John McDonough - Democratic Socialist Party
Ezekiel Emanuel - Democrat
Sources:
_The Boston Globe, "President Retreating from Obamacare" August 17, 2013
_The New American, "Origins of ObamaCare and RomnetCare" October 9, 2012
_The Guardian, "Obamacare Architect leaves White House for Pharmaceutical Company Job", December 5, 2012
_The Dissenter, "The Max Baucus, Wellpoint/Liz Fowler Plan" September 8, 2009
_https://http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/111-2010/h165
Before you go to RomneyCare, A Masschusett's bill written by Democrats and re-labeled "RomneyCare" by Democrat's during the 2012 election cycle. Re-labeling doesn't count as authorship.
If you want to claim concepts cherry picked from The Emergency Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) or The State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) or Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act (HEART), research the authors, not legislative co-sponsors. Also keep in mind those acts were compromises trying to reign in the Clinton Administration and their attempt to implement single payer in the late 90's.
I've got more, but what do you have to support your assertion of a "huge" Republican hand?
Max Baucus - Democrat
Liz Fowler - Democrat
Jonathan Gruber - Democrat
John McDonough - Democratic Socialist Party
Ezekiel Emanuel - Democrat
Sources:
_The Boston Globe, "President Retreating from Obamacare" August 17, 2013
_The New American, "Origins of ObamaCare and RomnetCare" October 9, 2012
_The Guardian, "Obamacare Architect leaves White House for Pharmaceutical Company Job", December 5, 2012
_The Dissenter, "The Max Baucus, Wellpoint/Liz Fowler Plan" September 8, 2009
_https://http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/111-2010/h165
Before you go to RomneyCare, A Masschusett's bill written by Democrats and re-labeled "RomneyCare" by Democrat's during the 2012 election cycle. Re-labeling doesn't count as authorship.
If you want to claim concepts cherry picked from The Emergency Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) or The State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) or Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act (HEART), research the authors, not legislative co-sponsors. Also keep in mind those acts were compromises trying to reign in the Clinton Administration and their attempt to implement single payer in the late 90's.
I've got more, but what do you have to support your assertion of a "huge" Republican hand?
H.R. 3590 (111th): Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act -- House Vote #165 -- Mar 21, 2010
House Vote #165 in 2010, in the United States Congress.
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SCPO Jason McLaughlin
Maj John Bell - I don't understand how you can discount EMTALA, SCHIP, and HEART as not beuing Republican contribution the the ACA. 40% of the the ACA was derived from these proposals. Even the state exchanges were a Republican idea.
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Maj John Bell
SCPO Jason McLaughlin - And look at who wrote them.
EMTALA:
Fact 1 – Yes, Ronald Reagan was in office when this bill passed.
Fact 2 – The bill was passed by a Democrat-controlled Congress.
Fact 3 – The bill was sponsored by Fortney “Pete” Stark, the Democratic chair of the Medicare Committee, and backed by Ralph Nader’s Public Citizen group along with the National Organization of Women.
Fact 4 – The bill was inserted in the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act – a monster “Veto Proof” bill of more than 2200 pages that lumped all of the government spending in a bill that Democrats designed to be impossible for Reagan to veto.
Fact 5 – The EMTALA provisions were not in the Senate version of the COBRA bill, and just before the Conference Committee session, it was not expected to pass through to the final bill.
Fact 6 – At the Conference Committee, and literally behind closed, locked doors, in a "no-notice" after hours session, Democratic majorities inserted the EMTALA bill into the final version that Congress had to pass in order to find out what was in it. He argued it was “budget neutral” – meaning it did not cost anything to the budget, and in modern terms that meant it was an unfunded mandate.
Fact 7 – The bill was “veto proof” and Reagan signed it.
Virtually no one knew that EMTALA was in the law. It was 4 pages, back behind Agriculture and indexed under Miscellaneous Provisions.
SCHIP:
Fact 1 Clinton was President
Fact 2 First Lady Clinton's healthcare reform panel had failed to produce a viable legislative plan.
Fact 3 Senator Kennedy looked for a smaller initiative that might gain support and selected a state initiative from Massachusetts written by the Pediatrics Director of Boston Medical Center Dr. Barry Zuckerman, a Democrat and State Legislator John McDonough, Democrat socialist Party (Same man who helped write The ACA). Dr. Zuckerman and Mr. McDonough gave the outline to Senator Kennedy's staff, then reviewed, edited, and approved the draft sent to committee.
Fact 4 AFTER the bill was written, Senator Kennedy sought out Senator Orrin Hatch (R) to co-sponsor the bill.
HEART Act:
Fact 1 The HEART Act was read on the Senate floor, twice.
Fact 2 The HEART Act was never debated or voted upon.
Fact 3 The HEART Act similarities begins and ends with individual mandates, and ancillary measures surrounding the mandate.
Fact 4 The HEART Act was not pursued because it was determined that the "fine" for failing to comply with the individual mandate was a Tax, and therefore the bill must originate in the House of Representatives,
Fact 5 The Heart Act was not pursued because the was broad consensus among Republicans that it was unconstitutional to require private citizens to purchase a private product or service.
Fact 6 The HEART Act was not pursued by the Democrats because it had a broad range of measures that were unpopular with Tort lawyers, one of their largest net donor classes.
It is hardly fair to pull a part off a Chevy, re-machine it, put it on a Ford and call the Ford a Chevy.
What is the source for your assertion that 40% of the ACA was derived from these proposals? Is that figure based on word count? In which case I guess it is possible to make such a determination; or is it based on measures and their impact or is it based on monetary costs? In which case, how did you arrive at the figure of 40%?
EMTALA:
Fact 1 – Yes, Ronald Reagan was in office when this bill passed.
Fact 2 – The bill was passed by a Democrat-controlled Congress.
Fact 3 – The bill was sponsored by Fortney “Pete” Stark, the Democratic chair of the Medicare Committee, and backed by Ralph Nader’s Public Citizen group along with the National Organization of Women.
Fact 4 – The bill was inserted in the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act – a monster “Veto Proof” bill of more than 2200 pages that lumped all of the government spending in a bill that Democrats designed to be impossible for Reagan to veto.
Fact 5 – The EMTALA provisions were not in the Senate version of the COBRA bill, and just before the Conference Committee session, it was not expected to pass through to the final bill.
Fact 6 – At the Conference Committee, and literally behind closed, locked doors, in a "no-notice" after hours session, Democratic majorities inserted the EMTALA bill into the final version that Congress had to pass in order to find out what was in it. He argued it was “budget neutral” – meaning it did not cost anything to the budget, and in modern terms that meant it was an unfunded mandate.
Fact 7 – The bill was “veto proof” and Reagan signed it.
Virtually no one knew that EMTALA was in the law. It was 4 pages, back behind Agriculture and indexed under Miscellaneous Provisions.
SCHIP:
Fact 1 Clinton was President
Fact 2 First Lady Clinton's healthcare reform panel had failed to produce a viable legislative plan.
Fact 3 Senator Kennedy looked for a smaller initiative that might gain support and selected a state initiative from Massachusetts written by the Pediatrics Director of Boston Medical Center Dr. Barry Zuckerman, a Democrat and State Legislator John McDonough, Democrat socialist Party (Same man who helped write The ACA). Dr. Zuckerman and Mr. McDonough gave the outline to Senator Kennedy's staff, then reviewed, edited, and approved the draft sent to committee.
Fact 4 AFTER the bill was written, Senator Kennedy sought out Senator Orrin Hatch (R) to co-sponsor the bill.
HEART Act:
Fact 1 The HEART Act was read on the Senate floor, twice.
Fact 2 The HEART Act was never debated or voted upon.
Fact 3 The HEART Act similarities begins and ends with individual mandates, and ancillary measures surrounding the mandate.
Fact 4 The HEART Act was not pursued because it was determined that the "fine" for failing to comply with the individual mandate was a Tax, and therefore the bill must originate in the House of Representatives,
Fact 5 The Heart Act was not pursued because the was broad consensus among Republicans that it was unconstitutional to require private citizens to purchase a private product or service.
Fact 6 The HEART Act was not pursued by the Democrats because it had a broad range of measures that were unpopular with Tort lawyers, one of their largest net donor classes.
It is hardly fair to pull a part off a Chevy, re-machine it, put it on a Ford and call the Ford a Chevy.
What is the source for your assertion that 40% of the ACA was derived from these proposals? Is that figure based on word count? In which case I guess it is possible to make such a determination; or is it based on measures and their impact or is it based on monetary costs? In which case, how did you arrive at the figure of 40%?
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