Posted on Jun 6, 2016
U.S. Navy slaps drinking ban on 18,600 sailors in Japan
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First the Marine Corps curtails liberty on Okinawa/Japan to try and eliminate bad off base behavior. Now we have our sister Service following in our footsteps. No off base liberty and no drinking for an undetermined period of time. Come on folks lets grow up and act right. IF your conduct would offend your mother or your grandmother then it more than likely something you should not be doing. Take care of each other out there! Semper Fi.
U.S. Navy slaps drinking ban on 18,600 sailors in Japan
Posted from reuters.com
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There we go mass punishment... I knew there was something about the military I hated!
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SGM Erik Marquez
So you view drinking as some sort of right not to be infringed? You view the restriction of drinking alcohol as a punishment?
Im sure you are familiar with the phrase mission accomplishment..If the mission is to relocate the U.S. Marines' Futenma air base to a less populous part of Okinawa and overall retain our ability to hold the ground in Okinawa something the Okinawa governor and many locals are against, would you not support the commander in doing what he feels is vital and tactically required to complete his mission?
Are you advocating ignoring a clear impediment to mission accomplishment?
Im sure you are familiar with the phrase mission accomplishment..If the mission is to relocate the U.S. Marines' Futenma air base to a less populous part of Okinawa and overall retain our ability to hold the ground in Okinawa something the Okinawa governor and many locals are against, would you not support the commander in doing what he feels is vital and tactically required to complete his mission?
Are you advocating ignoring a clear impediment to mission accomplishment?
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SSG Pete Fleming
SGM Erik Marquez - It isn't about the alcohol. It is about the stupidity of mass punishment. Mass punishment does not work. It only really effects the ones who follow the rules in the first place.
There are other things to consider. If you say no one can do it then you are punishing those who did nothing wrong. Typically, it is the vast majority who have not done anything wrong. So then you hurt the overall morale of everyone there. It then also creates an environment where people will do it anyway. So now you have punished those who did nothing wrong while at the same time doing nothing to stop the problem. But now you have created a new set of problems. Instead of just enforcing the rules and making example out of the wrong doers, you have told the entire organization that they can't be trusted. So now you have created a deeper divide. This will only make things worse. It is not right or fair.
There are other things to consider. If you say no one can do it then you are punishing those who did nothing wrong. Typically, it is the vast majority who have not done anything wrong. So then you hurt the overall morale of everyone there. It then also creates an environment where people will do it anyway. So now you have punished those who did nothing wrong while at the same time doing nothing to stop the problem. But now you have created a new set of problems. Instead of just enforcing the rules and making example out of the wrong doers, you have told the entire organization that they can't be trusted. So now you have created a deeper divide. This will only make things worse. It is not right or fair.
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SGM Erik Marquez
SSG Pete Fleming - Perhaps my earlier response was to much for you to respond with a focused answer that addresses the questions posed... Let me try again.
..If the mission is to relocate the U.S. Marines' Futenma air base to a less populous part of Okinawa and overall retain our ability to hold the ground in Okinawa something the Okinawa governor and many locals are against, would you not support the commander in doing what he feels is vital and tactically required to complete his mission?
..If the mission is to relocate the U.S. Marines' Futenma air base to a less populous part of Okinawa and overall retain our ability to hold the ground in Okinawa something the Okinawa governor and many locals are against, would you not support the commander in doing what he feels is vital and tactically required to complete his mission?
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The last time I was on the Island (2002), there was a program that consisted of SNCOs and Officers going out into town (clubs) to keep an eye on drinking activities at night. Not that this program really helped much but I wonder if it went away completely or what. Regardless, there is no way to completely control drinking on the rock. The best you can do is ensure your section leaders know their Marines enough to prevent such behavior.
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No off base liberty. Doesn't everyone know what this means? No Coco Ichabanya for our service members until the restriction is lifted. I get the alcohol ban but a ban on Cocos is terrible.
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