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While most people are on the same page on this, the challenge is getting the hardcore to modify their view. There are some that will stubbornly hold to their views of people based on appearance. In this case, stubbornness is a sign of weakness in my opinion
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"Have you experienced any leaders taking a realistic stand against racism, sexism, or the like while serving?"
No, not once, not a single time in a single unit.
EO briefings were excuses for troops to exchange jokes about EO protected topics (Gender, Race, Sexual orientation, Religion)
Anytime an allegation was raised by a female soldier being mistreated, they were 'crying', or 'trying to ruin a career" or ' getting even for being turned down'. The only women or minorities that ever got ahead were the ones that toed the line and let the "boys be boys".
We had a field grade officer during a battalion briefing say "To hell with 'don't ask, don't tell', please let me know because I don't want you in my unit."
Racism, sexism, homophobia and antisemitism (and Islamophobia) are never going to leave the services until straight, white, male Christians are the ones standing up and taking out the trash with their real brothers and sisters in service.
No, not once, not a single time in a single unit.
EO briefings were excuses for troops to exchange jokes about EO protected topics (Gender, Race, Sexual orientation, Religion)
Anytime an allegation was raised by a female soldier being mistreated, they were 'crying', or 'trying to ruin a career" or ' getting even for being turned down'. The only women or minorities that ever got ahead were the ones that toed the line and let the "boys be boys".
We had a field grade officer during a battalion briefing say "To hell with 'don't ask, don't tell', please let me know because I don't want you in my unit."
Racism, sexism, homophobia and antisemitism (and Islamophobia) are never going to leave the services until straight, white, male Christians are the ones standing up and taking out the trash with their real brothers and sisters in service.
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PO3 Jay Rose
Excellent points SPC Robert Conway!
I agree 150% as I experienced the same general attitudes, especially amongst white senior NCOs during my time in, in the 90’s. Within our division, the senior leadership of color seemed to be the most professional. I had a lot of respect for many of them as they were the fairest all around. We did have one particular Chief (E-7) that was best of pals with our Leading PO (E-6) that said some of the most vile and detestable comments, but they did seem to be habitually overlooked as they were “solid performers.”
I remember one time in particular that this ‘dynamic duo’ was talking shit saying that they wanted to “lock gays in an electrical load center and to have five minutes in there to counsel them” while in this cold and confined space! Yeah, WTF is right?!
There was a lot of immaturity come to think about it, especially with regard to racial slurs, jokes, and the like, but this was with some of the ‘older guys’ that you wouldn’t have expected this from. The next command was quite different as it was a much more professional climate, so I guess that it does vary from command to command, and even division to division (or departmental to a lesser extent) within each command.
This was pre-9/11, so I didn’t see any islamophobia; and luckily don’t recall any overt antisemitism. We only had six women aboard a full aircraft carrier (of 5,000 or so), but I never heard any sexist jokes while on board. It was just the racism with some older hard head types, and it was not only annoying, but did cause a noticeable divide within the division as the ones doing it were pretty prominent within our ranks.
The bottom line is that you nailed it! A very specific group of senior NCOs has to set the climate, and the rest will follow. Thanks again for the great comment!
I agree 150% as I experienced the same general attitudes, especially amongst white senior NCOs during my time in, in the 90’s. Within our division, the senior leadership of color seemed to be the most professional. I had a lot of respect for many of them as they were the fairest all around. We did have one particular Chief (E-7) that was best of pals with our Leading PO (E-6) that said some of the most vile and detestable comments, but they did seem to be habitually overlooked as they were “solid performers.”
I remember one time in particular that this ‘dynamic duo’ was talking shit saying that they wanted to “lock gays in an electrical load center and to have five minutes in there to counsel them” while in this cold and confined space! Yeah, WTF is right?!
There was a lot of immaturity come to think about it, especially with regard to racial slurs, jokes, and the like, but this was with some of the ‘older guys’ that you wouldn’t have expected this from. The next command was quite different as it was a much more professional climate, so I guess that it does vary from command to command, and even division to division (or departmental to a lesser extent) within each command.
This was pre-9/11, so I didn’t see any islamophobia; and luckily don’t recall any overt antisemitism. We only had six women aboard a full aircraft carrier (of 5,000 or so), but I never heard any sexist jokes while on board. It was just the racism with some older hard head types, and it was not only annoying, but did cause a noticeable divide within the division as the ones doing it were pretty prominent within our ranks.
The bottom line is that you nailed it! A very specific group of senior NCOs has to set the climate, and the rest will follow. Thanks again for the great comment!
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