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SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth
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I don't no much buy what I read, the only time remember any hazing going on in the service was when someone screwed up and the boys put the individual thru hell.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth What We Could Do and Sometimes Did when We were in by Todays Standards was and is most definitely Hazing. We Always Tacked on Your Crow. I'm Pretty Sure that Would Be Highly Frowned On. What I went thru to be a Shellback was Milder than those that Preceded Me but Much Harsher than what would be allowed now. "Times they are a Changing" "I Remember Way Back When During the Great War" LOL!
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SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth
SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel - I hear you. Young pups now a days would have a melt down.
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TSgt David L.
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I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but they get Marines out of boot camp. The practice of making sausage isn't for public consumption, but the results are. Sausage is good. Marines are good. Some times you have to break some eggs to make an omelet.
I'm suddenly hungry for breakfast!

Here is my 2 cents. Y'all knew it was coming! Hazing is a term that is applied to many "traditions" in the military. Promotion ceremonies, and we've all seen them and/participated, while discouraged blood stripes exist. At the very least they are firmly placed on the arms or lapels of the recipients uniform. Badge/pin awarding ceremonies, while discouraged blood badges for virtually every MOS/Rate/AFSC exist. Blood Crabs upon graduation from the Joint-Service EOD school were an honor.
Is it really hazing? Probably. Right of passage? Most definitely! Should any of these stop? Wall-to-wall counseling in it's true form, while effective and OFTEN warranted, probably. I guess I would ask that we not lump ALL of this in with the alleged beating of recruits though. 2 cents, and change! LOL
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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TSgt David L. What My Subordinates did to Old CTO1 when I became a Shellback? Hazing? I Do Know They Rather Enjoyed Themselves during that Limited Time. LOL!
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TSgt David L.
TSgt David L.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel - I've heard things, bad things!
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Sgt Donald Chalfy
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I was hazed extensively and beaten a couple times throughout basic training at Parris Island in 1979, as was every recruit that ever went there. I was 17 and turned 18 whilst I was there. The point in stating my age was that I didn’t know better and took it in stride with the boot camp experience. Many Marines older Marines feel that if they didn’t get popped once or twice, they didn’t really go to boot camp.

I believe that if a recruit isn’t able to take a fair amount of harassment, hazing, pressure, or whatever one wants to call it, how the heck are they going to learn to function well, or at least do their job under duress and extreme conditions such as what the rigors of the battlefield or harsh training has in store? This may be a bit of a stretch, but how are these young Marines going to function if they become a POW and uphold the Code of Conduct? I am very much a traditionalist when it comes to the Marine Corps and methods of training. You get hazed, treated unfairly, screwed up and paid the price by a DI with his fist in their solar plexus? So what. That recruit is training to become a Marine. A properly trained, thoughtful, respectful, mentally and physically tough individual who can hold the appropriate bearing in the face of stupidity, moral indignation, all the way through closing with and engaging the enemy with the intent to destroy that enemy one at a time. I still believe that at the heart of it, the mission of the Marine Corps is a force in readiness. It is bad enough that recruit training has become integrated in some respects. If recruits feel they can’t take the hazing, the should be discharged, as they don’t have what it takes to be a Marine.

I realize my opinion is probably unpopular given today’s social climate, so I still stand by what I have to say. Let the games begin.
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