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This is a great video... But do we really want them to learn how to fight like we do? Westerners don't understand the tribal and family mentality when it comes to large scale operations. Thanks for sharing
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SSG (Join to see)
I think it would help as far as keeping a stable functioning government. They would actually be able to keep armed insurrections from destabilizing the region. In theory anyway.
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SSG Pete Fleming
SSG (Join to see) - It depends... Would you want a strong professional and disciplined military in Iran, for example?
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1stSgt Eugene Harless
In my opinion these Armies will NEVER be able to become proficient until the culture and ideology of the countries change. You cant create a 21st century army using a 7th century mindset
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Other than the Iraq Iran War we haven't seen the Iranians in conventional military formations on the battlefield. They support insurgencies and I'm not sure how much tribalism is entrenched in their culture. Maybe somebody else has some insight on that.
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Pretty spot on. Arabs have no sense of loyalty to their country. It is self, religion, family, and then tribe. They have nothing they believe is worth fighting for. They have zero discipline which is all due to the fact that leadership is promoted off who their family is or who can bribe their way to the top. Those leaders then destroy any good soldiers because they see them as a threat. They have zero of command, control, or communications. Because of that they can never be a threat as a standing army.
Arabs are not the only ones that are not all that they seem. I saw issues with the Ukrainians and Spanish while I was in Iraq. Neither has an effective chain of command. All decisions were made by field grade and above officers who were not in the field. A senior NCO did not have the capability to exercise any kind of decisions and had to wait until somebody up the food chain was able to decide what to do. I was not impressed.
I also saw countries that impressed the heck out of me. The Brits, Canadians, Aussies, Kiwis, Norwegians, and Japanese were all very capable, as expected.
There were a few countries that surprised me. The Ecuadorans. At an average of 5 foot tall they are pound for pound that baddest em'effers on the planet. Those guys were all about killing the enemy and REOs be damned. They really scare me. We did a couple convoy escorts with them. If we took harassing fire those guys would leave the convoy and shoot up everything in the general area of where the shots came from. It got to the point if we rolled out with the Ecuadorians (They always flew their flag on their trucks) it was going to be a quiet trip. Nobody messed with them because they knew if was not going to turn out well for them if they started shooting. If somebody said we were looking to go to Ecuador to fight a war I would say we would be in serious trouble.
The Polish. The full time guys are as good as we are and have bailed us out several times. They can shoot move and communicate as good as anybody. The conscripts were pretty crappy, but if we had them in our army I would think ours would be too.
Last, the South Koreans. I did not serve with any in Iraq, but worked with them in the Philippines. The ROKs are bad to the bone. They have to actually fight each other as part of their promotion process. I read somewhere that in Vietnam if you sent in the ROKs to an AO they would kill everything. Men, women, kids, goats, chickens. Nothing survived. I would have to say I believe the stories. In a ground war North Korea would not stand a chance.
Arabs are not the only ones that are not all that they seem. I saw issues with the Ukrainians and Spanish while I was in Iraq. Neither has an effective chain of command. All decisions were made by field grade and above officers who were not in the field. A senior NCO did not have the capability to exercise any kind of decisions and had to wait until somebody up the food chain was able to decide what to do. I was not impressed.
I also saw countries that impressed the heck out of me. The Brits, Canadians, Aussies, Kiwis, Norwegians, and Japanese were all very capable, as expected.
There were a few countries that surprised me. The Ecuadorans. At an average of 5 foot tall they are pound for pound that baddest em'effers on the planet. Those guys were all about killing the enemy and REOs be damned. They really scare me. We did a couple convoy escorts with them. If we took harassing fire those guys would leave the convoy and shoot up everything in the general area of where the shots came from. It got to the point if we rolled out with the Ecuadorians (They always flew their flag on their trucks) it was going to be a quiet trip. Nobody messed with them because they knew if was not going to turn out well for them if they started shooting. If somebody said we were looking to go to Ecuador to fight a war I would say we would be in serious trouble.
The Polish. The full time guys are as good as we are and have bailed us out several times. They can shoot move and communicate as good as anybody. The conscripts were pretty crappy, but if we had them in our army I would think ours would be too.
Last, the South Koreans. I did not serve with any in Iraq, but worked with them in the Philippines. The ROKs are bad to the bone. They have to actually fight each other as part of their promotion process. I read somewhere that in Vietnam if you sent in the ROKs to an AO they would kill everything. Men, women, kids, goats, chickens. Nothing survived. I would have to say I believe the stories. In a ground war North Korea would not stand a chance.
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Good shit. I heard about the Polish and Koreans but had no idea about the Ecuadorians.
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SGT William Howell
SSG (Join to see) - Those guys took being shot at personally. They were super aggressive and the enemy did not engage. It always made me wonder if we had more aggressive ROEs if we would still be there.
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I agree. This is spot on. I did two tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan. It seems that the most Arabs/Afghani just don't have the stick to it. The ones that have a special skill set are quick to go up the ranks and forget the troops. The ones that do stick to the plans seem like they get killed off real quick. Some of them I believe are killed by "friendly fire ". As in the troops don't want to stay and fight. If we can break that mind set and get them to do proper PMCS on the equipment they would have a chance to defeat the enemy.
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1stSgt Eugene Harless
I knew a Marine who was sent to help train the Saudis in 1991. He said that the officers and men were of two different classes, the officers all being from the " Royal Family". The had zero concept of looking out for their men. also they had brand new FNFL rifles that were turned to junk in a few months because they never clkeaned them.
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