Posted on Feb 13, 2020
William Barr's efforts to protect Roger Stone are another blow to rule of law | Andrew Gawthorpe
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The rule of law that allowed the FBI and Justice Department to run amok under the former POTUS.
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Both Stone, Flynn and even Manafort were targeted by Federal Prosecutors for minor and maybe false offenses, in the case of Flynn, simply in the hopes of getting information on a sitting President. If you can show another case where a similar crime as been given that kind of a sentence, and you wont, it's simply partisan BS. They are absolutely right that there has been a number of blows to the rule of law, but by partisan Federal Agencies that targeted political opponents for prosecution while ignoring similar or worse crimes from others.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
Capt Gregory Prickett - Have, show me where he says that the statement in the article. https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/alan-dershowitz-defense-argument-transcript-trump-impeachment-trial-january-27
Alan Dershowitz Defense Argument Transcript: Trump Impeachment Trial January 27 - Rev
Alan Dershowitz: (00:00) Mr. Chief Justice, distinguished members of the Senate, our friends, lawyers, fellow lawyers it’s a great honor for me to stand before you today to present a constitutional argument against the impeachment and removal not only of this president, but of all and any future presidents who may be charged with the…
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CPT Lawrence Cable
Capt Gregory Prickett - Not my job. You made an accusation that was unsupported by documentation and now I've give you the actual testimony. Read it instead of posting opinion sites. Dershowitz makes the same point over and over again, that to be impeachable it has to be a certain set of crimes against the US, and he was the one that stated Clinton's personal behavior was not impeachable since it did not involve crimes against the Federal Government, and that supposed motivation does not make a legal act illegal. There is nothing in his testimony that states or implies that a President can commit an illegal act in the public interest.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
Capt Gregory Prickett - Site a statue the states anything about quid pro quo, there aren't any and it is simply stating what I said in the first post, if the President acts in a legal manner it doesn't matter if there are other motives.
There is not a Constitutional requirement of proven beyond a reasonable doubt on any crime, do you think you would win that argument given the precedents. However, I agree with his assumptions that the Founding Fathers only meant Impeachment to be for chargeable crimes against the US with the same requirements as a criminal trial. It's certainly clear that it wasn't meant to be used as a political tool because the President pisses of the Opposition.
There is not a Constitutional requirement of proven beyond a reasonable doubt on any crime, do you think you would win that argument given the precedents. However, I agree with his assumptions that the Founding Fathers only meant Impeachment to be for chargeable crimes against the US with the same requirements as a criminal trial. It's certainly clear that it wasn't meant to be used as a political tool because the President pisses of the Opposition.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
Capt Gregory Prickett - No, you are attempting to stretch a law to cover things that it wasn't meant to cover by intent or in precedents in an attempt to criminalize normal political behavior. I would argue that #65 argues that the reason that the trial should be in the Senate is because they were supposed to be above the petty politics and would find on the facts on the line the Constitution delineated. It was supposed to stop the use of impeachment as a political weapon like the no confidence vote.
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Average sentences in the US these days run 3 years for child sex abuse, 6 years for 2nd degree murder, 6 years for assault and battery, 4 years for kidnapping, yet they wanted to lay 9 years on first time offender Stone for lying to a congressional committee? Come on, Chip, get real.
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