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Shouldn't our fearless leaders have some understanding of our nation's history? Shouldn't our voters?
Shouldn't our fearless leaders have some understanding of our nation's history? Shouldn't our voters?
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Sounds like a good idea. We committed genocide. On the other hand, celebrating the guy who embodies that genocide doesn't seem like a good idea.
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CPT Jack Durish
SPC Kevin Ford - How will We be judged, by the standards of some future generation or by the standards of our own times? The Left loves to talk of fairness, well there's a great example of unfairness in judging Columbus. Columbus took a great risk in hopes of a great reward. Ultimately, his reward was nowhere near what he had hoped for nor did it adequately compensate him for his risk. How many natives did he enslave? Do you know? Does anyone? How many did he murder? None are recorded. Now tell me, what are these "awful things" that he did?
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SPC Kevin Ford
CPT Jack Durish - It's not like we have no historical records of what happened. Columbus not only did things like enslave people, he was looking for young girls in particular and we have letters with him talking about it.
"A hundred castellanoes are as easily obtained for a woman as for a farm, and it is very general and there are plenty of dealers who go about looking for girls; those from nine to ten are now in demand."
-Columbus 1500
And of members of his crew who wrote about it
"When I was in the boat, I took a beautiful Cannibal girl and the admiral [Columbus] gave her to me. Having her in my room and she being naked as is their custom, I began to want to amuse myself with her. Since I wanted to have my way with her and she was not willing, she worked me over so badly with her nails that I wished I had never begun. To get to the end of the story, seeing how things were going, I got a rope and tied her up so tightly that she made unheard of cries which you wouldn't have believed. At the end, we got along so well that, let me tell you, it seemed she had studied at a school for whores."
- Michele de Cuneo 1495
It's all easy to fool ourselves into thinking "who knows what happened?" as long as we don't want to actually check. Because when we do, we find there are a lot of contemporary records showing exactly what happened, many of them from the horse's own mouth.
It is also untrue that contemporary people thought it was OK. Rape was illegal at the time. The link I'm providing discusses a man, Bartolomé de las Casas, who "became so disenchanted with the atrocities of the European conquerors, including Columbus and Ovando, that he turned on the violence of the project. Later, he became a Dominican friar, dedicating his life to exposing and opposing the brutalities perpetrated by Columbus and others during that era, and attempting a more peaceful missionary colonization of the Caribbean islands."
Casas went on to write a book dealing with and condemning the brutality of what was done to the natives. We don't give the mustache guy a pass for just being a "man of his times"
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/columbus-sex-slaves/
"A hundred castellanoes are as easily obtained for a woman as for a farm, and it is very general and there are plenty of dealers who go about looking for girls; those from nine to ten are now in demand."
-Columbus 1500
And of members of his crew who wrote about it
"When I was in the boat, I took a beautiful Cannibal girl and the admiral [Columbus] gave her to me. Having her in my room and she being naked as is their custom, I began to want to amuse myself with her. Since I wanted to have my way with her and she was not willing, she worked me over so badly with her nails that I wished I had never begun. To get to the end of the story, seeing how things were going, I got a rope and tied her up so tightly that she made unheard of cries which you wouldn't have believed. At the end, we got along so well that, let me tell you, it seemed she had studied at a school for whores."
- Michele de Cuneo 1495
It's all easy to fool ourselves into thinking "who knows what happened?" as long as we don't want to actually check. Because when we do, we find there are a lot of contemporary records showing exactly what happened, many of them from the horse's own mouth.
It is also untrue that contemporary people thought it was OK. Rape was illegal at the time. The link I'm providing discusses a man, Bartolomé de las Casas, who "became so disenchanted with the atrocities of the European conquerors, including Columbus and Ovando, that he turned on the violence of the project. Later, he became a Dominican friar, dedicating his life to exposing and opposing the brutalities perpetrated by Columbus and others during that era, and attempting a more peaceful missionary colonization of the Caribbean islands."
Casas went on to write a book dealing with and condemning the brutality of what was done to the natives. We don't give the mustache guy a pass for just being a "man of his times"
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/columbus-sex-slaves/
Did Christopher Columbus Seize, Sell, and Export Sex Slaves?
A Facebook meme accurately quoted from a letter written by Columbus himself.
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CPT Jack Durish
SPC Kevin Ford - And was any of this out of character for men of his time? What amuses me is that we have many in this nation who look away when Muslims practice slavery, honor killings, and other abhorrent behavior, and then declare that all cultures are relative. Now, have you paid attention to my posting from PragerU explaining the origins of Columbus Day? In it, we are correctly informed that it was created to acknowledge Southern Italian immigrants and welcome them after they had been vilified and poorly treated by Americans of "that" time. Columbus was just a figurehead.
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SPC Kevin Ford
CPT Jack Durish - Yes, it was out of character for people of the time. You've been taught these things your entire life but never dug down to see if they were true. I even provided you a contemporary account of condemnation his inhumane behavior. People of the time clearly knew it was, at very best, morally questionable.
As I pointed out what PagerU neglected to mention was the racist underpinnings of genesis of the holiday. The desire to separate good immigrants from bad immigrants. They were saying that Italians were actually white like "us" so we shouldn't treat them like we do the bad ones, you know the Asians and people from Africa (though they would not use those terms, they would have used pretty awful ones). That's what they were doing in 1937. We can ignore for now the fascist sympathy that was also driving it.
As I pointed out what PagerU neglected to mention was the racist underpinnings of genesis of the holiday. The desire to separate good immigrants from bad immigrants. They were saying that Italians were actually white like "us" so we shouldn't treat them like we do the bad ones, you know the Asians and people from Africa (though they would not use those terms, they would have used pretty awful ones). That's what they were doing in 1937. We can ignore for now the fascist sympathy that was also driving it.
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Everyone needs to stop worshipping columbus like he did something fantastic. First, he was lost. Wasn’t looking for North America. Second, he brought disease to the Native Americans. So, no. He’s not a hero. Not even a good role model
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CPT Jack Durish
No, we should have left "the New World" in the hands of Stone Age people so they could slaughter each other without our intervention. Imagine how they could have saved the world from Nazis, Communists, and Terrorists when those miscreants threatened.
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SrA John Monette
CPT Jack Durish guess we’ll never know since chris columbus brought his evil to North America
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