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LTC Vindman retires, was he right or wrong? What about the second and third order effects?
Aside from the usually partisan (and superficial) comments regarding LTC (R) Vindman, is there a lesson to be learned here? We had a sitting US senator holding up promotion for 1000 senior officers to allow for his promotion. Whistleblowing. Polarizing politics and the politicalization of the military seems to be here for the duration. While the retired could easily just take pot shots from Ft. Living Room, here's my question. How can currently serving members truly remain apolitical? In a world where one callus post can end your career, use some judgment if you elect to weigh in. Was he right? Would you have done the same? Was he dead wrong?
Aside from the usually partisan (and superficial) comments regarding LTC (R) Vindman, is there a lesson to be learned here? We had a sitting US senator holding up promotion for 1000 senior officers to allow for his promotion. Whistleblowing. Polarizing politics and the politicalization of the military seems to be here for the duration. While the retired could easily just take pot shots from Ft. Living Room, here's my question. How can currently serving members truly remain apolitical? In a world where one callus post can end your career, use some judgment if you elect to weigh in. Was he right? Would you have done the same? Was he dead wrong?
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What is the question? Was he right to whistelblow or right to retire? At his level, his position has a large amount of politicization already. I would think that, as a Major, you're already experiencing that. I'm experiencing it for sure. One bad CO and, if you don't play along, he or she can ruin your career. I've seen RDMLs try it. If you think a LTC isn't an inherently political position, you're in for a rude awakening I fear.
From my perspective, it sure seemed like he tried to stay apolitical but you can't. Any time you speak out against a "leader" like President Trump, you're going to be punished. The SecDef should have stood up for service members. I'm concerned that you thought it was a Senator holding up 1000 promotions and ignoring that the President was holding up a single promotion out of spite. I would have hoped that other LTCs would have stood up and said, "No...he was selected just like I was. I'll stand up with him. Where is the brotherhood in saying you should sacrifice one person's career who was trying to fulfill his oath to the Constitution and was targeted for retribution by the Commander in Chief?
From my perspective, it sure seemed like he tried to stay apolitical but you can't. Any time you speak out against a "leader" like President Trump, you're going to be punished. The SecDef should have stood up for service members. I'm concerned that you thought it was a Senator holding up 1000 promotions and ignoring that the President was holding up a single promotion out of spite. I would have hoped that other LTCs would have stood up and said, "No...he was selected just like I was. I'll stand up with him. Where is the brotherhood in saying you should sacrifice one person's career who was trying to fulfill his oath to the Constitution and was targeted for retribution by the Commander in Chief?
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SPC Albert Blosser
do you get all your "facts" from breitbart and fox? You probably subscribe to "Der Stormer" as well. The Alt Right is not your friend.
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CPL Kenneth Servello Jr
He came after President Trump with known lies..that's not on President Trump.. vindman made himself a target when he drew decided to play politician.. and sided with the wrong side.
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He was summoned by congress. He followed his oath to the American people. His integrity is intact. I question those who would have had him testify othen than he did.
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Cpl Roman Makuch
He had no integrity. If he had integrity, he wouldn't have shared the information with his buddy, who was no longer privy to that classified information. He wasn't a whistleblower. A whistleblower would have followed proper channels, not shared classified info with a buddy.
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CPL Kenneth Servello Jr
He was summoned because he said he had intel. That he heard something first hand..and thought seeking whistle-blower protection would cover his lies..
He was wrong.
He was wrong.
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He didn’t use his chain of command and was trying to punch well above his pay grade. He was foolish to wear his political beliefs on his sleeve and be used as a pawn.
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The strength of the American armed forces is their apolitical stance. In America, civilians controlled the use of force and that is the way it should be. However the culture of service, honor and brotherhood is (I hope) the culture of the military. LTC Vindman broke faith with all of that when he went to the press because He didn’t like the policy of the current occupant of the White House. That’s a betrayal of military honor and one more step toward changing the US military into a third world political mob.
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duty, honor, country, no where does the constitution say that the president is above the law or the ucmj.
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SSG Dave Johnston
Ukraine's anti-corruption campaign targets Klitschko and Poroshenko | DW | 30.07.2019
Ukraine's new president swept to power by vowing to fight corruption. On the heels of Volodymyr Zelenskiy's election success, his predecessor and the high-profile mayor of Kyiv are now in the anti-graft crosshairs.
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SFC Benjamin Varlese
Do you know what a MLAT is?
Do you understand what is within the scope of presidential authority when it comes to foreign policy?
Do you know what "unauthorized disclosure" means?
If the answer is "no" to any of the above, you should probably sit this one out.
I'll just leave this here so you can mull over whether Trump was within his presidential authority to request legal assistance to uncover corruption and criminal activity.
https://www.congress.gov/106/cdoc/tdoc16/CDOC-106tdoc16.pdf
Do you understand what is within the scope of presidential authority when it comes to foreign policy?
Do you know what "unauthorized disclosure" means?
If the answer is "no" to any of the above, you should probably sit this one out.
I'll just leave this here so you can mull over whether Trump was within his presidential authority to request legal assistance to uncover corruption and criminal activity.
https://www.congress.gov/106/cdoc/tdoc16/CDOC-106tdoc16.pdf
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Man y’all are some glutens for punishment. These comments remind me of all those sugar cookie I endured at Knox
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Something got to be wrong with our military members when you follow wrong over what’s right. That tells me you are no different from LT General Flynn. Your integrity is in question. Don’t let this so call president lead you right off a cliff.
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SFC Benjamin Varlese
I'll just leave this here so you can mull over whether Trump was within his presidential authority to request legal assistance to uncover corruption and criminal activity.
https://www.congress.gov/106/cdoc/tdoc16/CDOC-106tdoc16.pdf
https://www.congress.gov/106/cdoc/tdoc16/CDOC-106tdoc16.pdf
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Sgt Den OBrien
It's a year after this original post and truth and info are coming out after Gen. flynn recently filed his civil suit against the US government and those involved with his biased persecution. What the government, the FBI in particular, did to Flynn was criminal. There will be much more coming out as this legal action is pursued, but right now it's just the tip of the iceberg on the illegal activities taken by the DC swamp rats against Trump and anyone on his side:https://www.westernjournal.com/read-entire-explosive-50-million-gen-flynn-lawsuit-us-government/
Read the Entire Explosive $50 Million Gen. Flynn Lawsuit Against the US Government
General Flynn is suing the federal government for $50 million. Here is the entire draft filing he's going to hit them with.
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LTC Vindman was assigned to a post in support of the National Security Council. Very dicey business, given that national security policy is a very politically controversial battlefield.
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SPC Mark Marquette
The very nature of his appointment is political. He wasn't a damned door-post sentry!
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