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LTC Vindman retires, was he right or wrong? What about the second and third order effects?
Aside from the usually partisan (and superficial) comments regarding LTC (R) Vindman, is there a lesson to be learned here? We had a sitting US senator holding up promotion for 1000 senior officers to allow for his promotion. Whistleblowing. Polarizing politics and the politicalization of the military seems to be here for the duration. While the retired could easily just take pot shots from Ft. Living Room, here's my question. How can currently serving members truly remain apolitical? In a world where one callus post can end your career, use some judgment if you elect to weigh in. Was he right? Would you have done the same? Was he dead wrong?
Aside from the usually partisan (and superficial) comments regarding LTC (R) Vindman, is there a lesson to be learned here? We had a sitting US senator holding up promotion for 1000 senior officers to allow for his promotion. Whistleblowing. Polarizing politics and the politicalization of the military seems to be here for the duration. While the retired could easily just take pot shots from Ft. Living Room, here's my question. How can currently serving members truly remain apolitical? In a world where one callus post can end your career, use some judgment if you elect to weigh in. Was he right? Would you have done the same? Was he dead wrong?
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Vindman was a tool that was relieved for cause just prior to the 2SCR 2007 Iraq deployment. He's a political hack that lied and then cried when he got called out for being a political pawn.
He never should have been in any position that required a security clearance, let alone turning his opinion into another witch hunt.
Enough said.
He never should have been in any position that required a security clearance, let alone turning his opinion into another witch hunt.
Enough said.
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Since his information was unconfirmed 2nd or 3rd hand, he should've waited 'til there was something more concrete than innuendo. As an officer, he should've known better, and exercised better discretion.
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SPC Mark Marquette
??! I believe he was ON THE PHONECALL to ensure no "funny stuff" with translations, etc.
That is NOT "2nd, 3rd-hand!
That is NOT "2nd, 3rd-hand!
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Wrong, he completely avoided his chain of command to score political points and he never heard or saw any of the shit he was testifying on. He should have been reprimanded and kicked from his post to go and complete the rest of his contract as a 1st LT in antarctica.
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SPC Mark Marquette
That IS a LIE! He was ON THE call, listening in another room, ensuring that there was no "funny stuff" in Ukrainian no one understood. He has more honour in his HAT than most here are spouting about. He didn't hide behind COC, it's the CIC, ... He stepped up to right a very serious wrong. trump's impeachment PROVES it!
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SPC Mark Marquette
Only reason the impeachemnt failed was "Moscow Mitch"!
And, now, the MAGA monsters are suporting, campaigning to uphold russian/Putin" efforts to get/keep Trump in power!
They call themselves "patriots", yet they support Putin?, resist any aid to Ukrain? That is NOT in any way "democratic"
And, now, the MAGA monsters are suporting, campaigning to uphold russian/Putin" efforts to get/keep Trump in power!
They call themselves "patriots", yet they support Putin?, resist any aid to Ukrain? That is NOT in any way "democratic"
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SPC Mark Marquette
How quaint! "Banishment to a glacial outpost"! Fairy tales! No basis in the realities of the modern world! 'Machines, zombies, sheep is NOT what we need! We are in crisis!
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Even if you have all the right reasons for doing something if you're violating regs/SOP or disregarding the chain of command you should expect to have to answer for it.
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SPC Mark Marquette
CPL Kenneth Servello Jr - And, how do YOU "know"? You have some inside knowledge? Or brilliant scholarly research? Or, just an opinion - based on nothing?
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SGT Walter Drumm
SPC Mark Marquette even if you're doing what you think is right if you ignore or violate your chain of command you should expect to answer for it.
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SPC Mark Marquette
That may well be; but in service to our COUNTRY, not a one-term electted lunatic criminal! AS above, Officers "oath says "Constitution", NOTHING about Presidents, elected politicians.
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LTC Vindman needs to re-read the UCMJ in regard to political involvement while in service. In basic training, we were told NEVER to participate in political stunts while in uniform, such as protests and campaign events. He wasn't just speaking out, he was in violation of the UCMJ and involving himself in a coup attempt. He's lucky he got off with retiring.
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That asswipe deserves time in federal prison for treason. How the fuck are you gonna step all over your command and go right to congress? Fucking hell man... i don't even have a security clearance and know my chain follows a set of individuals. As far as the office goes, he's a former soldier held to yr same accountability as anyone else. As far as Intel goes, well the joke says it, an oxymoron. He helped in the screwing over of the president and helped in the creation of Russiagate with the impeachment. Hope he loves living under Biden n Harris big toe
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He was right to report any concerns he had. But he was wrong to allow the media and congress to use him as a puppet. At the end of the day he needed to remember the only knowledge he had was hearsay. After the first report was made and the IG said everything was all good, he should have stopped. Continuing to push, made him look like he had a political motive.
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SPC Mark Marquette
What evidence supports him lying on the call? I've never seen anything but the BS Trumpers push.
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Undermine; to subvert or weaken insidiously or secretly trying to undermine his political rivals. He has no business deciding if his Commander and Chief is wrong. He didn't follow chain of command. He should be in Leavenworth.
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SPC Mark Marquette
And, yet, ALL the diatribe here against Vindmen is exactly THAT: undermining Vindman to justify Trump's "perfect call"
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SPC Mark Marquette
LTC Stephen F. - So, you're saying we cannot count on you to uphold our country against ALL..."...and domestic"? Just blilndly follow the dictator?
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Did he follow the chain of command? Did he notify his supervisors? If in fact he had, then why weren’t more high ranking military brought into questioning over this? In my opinion, I believe that he allowed his political opinion to influence his duty. I have served under both Democrats and Republicans. I may not have liked them, but they were my CinC and for that I supported and respected the position. This was definitely a witch hunt that backfired not only against the President, but also Our Country and Our Military.
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SPC Mark Marquette
So, what IS your ultimate loyalty? To the man, or to our country?! Come back when you get that sorted out.
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