Posted on Aug 1, 2020
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LTC Vindman retires, was he right or wrong? What about the second and third order effects?

Aside from the usually partisan (and superficial) comments regarding LTC (R) Vindman, is there a lesson to be learned here? We had a sitting US senator holding up promotion for 1000 senior officers to allow for his promotion. Whistleblowing. Polarizing politics and the politicalization of the military seems to be here for the duration. While the retired could easily just take pot shots from Ft. Living Room, here's my question. How can currently serving members truly remain apolitical? In a world where one callus post can end your career, use some judgment if you elect to weigh in. Was he right? Would you have done the same? Was he dead wrong?
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SGT Joe Lombardi
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Consumate delta bravo.
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He should have been retired as a Private.
Cpl Barry Evans
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Vindman should have been drummed out of the military …what he did was wires than Lt Col Scheller who summarily released.
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Cpl Barry Evans
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Dude did a political thing and should have been crumbed out …wore than Scheller
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LCpl Paul Miller
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I'm not nor was I an officer and I can not read the MSN (NWO, liberal biased) article because it's no longer available (link doesn't work) BUT ... I see/read/hear about officers and other service members who seem to either forget or misunderstand their oath. When I took my oath it was "to support and defend the CONSTITUTION against ALL enemies; foreign and domestic" and to obey LAWFUL orders from the C&C, my superior officers etc. I did not take an oath to any specific individual but to the US Constitution. Most military people, officer & enlisted seem to miss that very important point/objective. Do not dismiss what I say because my highest rank was only L/Cpl because my scores were such that I was offered the PLC program right out of recruit training and said no thank you. Again ... I don't even know exactly what the article or question is about but I am guessing it concerns orders and the President. The President is the CnC but he is not who I took my oath to support and defend. When he, or an officer, gives an unlawful order, such as mandating the covid vaccine, which was and is still killing people who stepped up like sheep and said "give me that poison" I would NOT have taken that crap. The President had absolutely no right to give the unconstitutional order. Yet top brass upheld that unlawful order and now after it has actually been deemed as an unlawful order WHO is going to pay for the MURDER of our military service members and civilians? I believe that the President, every politician and EVERY officer that forced the members under their command to either take the death jab or loose their rank and/or job to be punished appropriately for following, giving and enforcing an unlawful, unconstitutional order. An order that has ruined lives, livelyhoods and murdered innocent sheep. I look forward to seeing every single politician (including our fraudulent President and his admin), officer and NCO, who followed and enforced that unlawful order and mandate appropriately punished for the murder of the innocent who trusted them and/or followed unlawful orders.
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I think that your rant went to the left field and off the topic at hand, but I do agree with you on the vaccine and there needs to be a new Nuremberg trial and these assholes need to be held accountable and put in front of a firing squad.
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SFC Benjamin Harrison
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He was wrong, plain and simple. Had it been an NCO or any enlisted member, their careers would have been immediately terminated had they conducted themselves in the same manner.
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CDR Jack Tappe
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Stay in your swim lane.
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Lol
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SFC Benjamin Varlese
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Vindman was 100% wrong, and should count his blessings he was able to retire and is not currently spending the remainder of his adult life turning big ones into little ones at Leavenworth. This whole dust-up that resulted in an impeachment boils down to a junior (by NSC standards) analyst having a policy disagreement with the CinC, and violating about a dozen UCMJ articles in the process. Public ignorance and dishonest propagation of disingenuous arguments by political pundits and the media fueled this nonsense. Here is why:
Trump asked his Ukrainian counterpart for legal assistance in uncovering and building a case of corruption and criminal activities by someone who happened to be a political rival and his son. This request is covered under a mutual legal assistance treaty (MLAT) signed in 1999 by then-President Clinton. Trump did not exceed his presidential authority in any way, so Vindman had not reason to object on legal or ethical grounds.
Vindman, a politically biased ideologue, submitted his grievance, and after he was not satisfied with his supervisor's response, broke the law to get his way. He then contacted a former NSC member (Eric Ciaramella, a CIA analyst) and enlisted him to file a hearsay "whistleblower" complaint to members of the HPSCI. This act violated "need to know" security protocols (unauthorized disclosure), was insubordinate, conspiratorial, and several other related UCMJ articles.
Naturally, the "useful idiot", Adam Schiff, ran with this disingenuous and intellectually dishonest story, and, himself, engaged in all kinds of political, ethical, and legal malfeasance to initiate the first impeachment proceedings. Trump should have stepped on this from the beginning by citing the above mentioned MLAT then summarily crushed Vindman for his criminal and unbecoming actions.
Vindman violated his oath of appointment, several UCMJ articles, and federal laws. He should have been punished accordingly. Shielded by the ignorant and dishonest, he should have slipped quietly into the night. Instead, he is being lionized by those same uninformed and deceitful partisans resulting in more dystopian political persecutions like we are seeing currently with the MAL controversy. It is equally disturbing that too many military members, especially field grade officers, are applauding Vindman's actions. This political toxicity extends all the way to the top with that feckless hack Milley, and they all should be ashamed of the standards they have set in today's military.
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LTC S S
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He should have been at least removed from his position. When it was discovered he lied under oath, he should have been court marshaled and put in prison. As a military officer, you can't be biased. He was clearly biased and politically weaponized his position. After he used his position to lie about the Ukraine phone cal, he stated Gen. Miller should be removed after he usurped his power to limit the sitting President from utilizing the military to defend the US after Jan 6. Wow. Isn't that the pot calling the kettle. Our military is in desperate need of leadership that has a backbone to resist the temptations of Washington.
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COL Jerry C.
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One only has to read their oath of office and parts of the Officers Handbook. Unless you are in a senior policy making position and your opion is sought-- you Salute smartly, and carry on. If you think YOUR ORDERS are illegal you have an obligation to execute-- to the best your ability
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