Posted on Aug 1, 2020
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LTC Vindman retires, was he right or wrong? What about the second and third order effects?

Aside from the usually partisan (and superficial) comments regarding LTC (R) Vindman, is there a lesson to be learned here? We had a sitting US senator holding up promotion for 1000 senior officers to allow for his promotion. Whistleblowing. Polarizing politics and the politicalization of the military seems to be here for the duration. While the retired could easily just take pot shots from Ft. Living Room, here's my question. How can currently serving members truly remain apolitical? In a world where one callus post can end your career, use some judgment if you elect to weigh in. Was he right? Would you have done the same? Was he dead wrong?
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1SG Michael Blount
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that's a tough question, but I think at day's end, I would have to follow my conscience and do the right thing vs what's legally permissible but morally wrong.
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TSgt A Marne
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The chart, and the responses to the question above, simply show party affiliation of the respondents.
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LCpl Michael Cappello
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Vindman LIED. He even admitted that he LIED. He is a scumbag of the first order.
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SGM John Barnett
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After reading all these comments, I agree them and was a bitch
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SGT Jodi WittBailey
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The URL is no longer posted at that address. The example you gave of callous words effecting a great menu people are true, especially in thr case of senior leaders.
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Lt Col Eric Davis
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All I can say is the last few years of presidents, including Senile Joe, Bad Orange Man, Barry O, and "W" have made me glad I am retired and moderately ashamed that I ever served so long...
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Wrong
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Should be in prison
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SFC Jim Thurman
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Let’s get down to brass tacks about Lieutenant Colonel Vindman, in my opinion he was wrong, and here’s why. The oath that he took stated, I will support and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic and bear True faith and allegiance to the same. It also says he will obey the orders of the officers placed over him. I believe the President of the United States, is an officer, i.e., the commander in chief. The electorates choice. The LTC showed Disloyalty, end of story, we all learned during your time in service, use your chain of command, both NCO’s and Officers understand there are consequences for going outside of it, not getting promoted to one of those. Lieutenant Colonel Venman decided he knew better than the commander-in-chief and as George W Bush said he’s the deciding authority, it’s his job to take the lieutenant colonel‘s recommendations, along with all other advisers, and makes the decision. Whereby LTC Vindman , saying that he did not take his advice and use it, as presumptuous as that is, it’s also the same as usurping command for a position he was not elected to. I remember having conversations about an officer and a senior NCO’s need to be apolitical in the face of the rank-and-file This was to keep dissension out of the ranks. It’s the same as bitching up and never down.
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Capt Jeff S.
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Vindman was out of line. He allowed his personal political beliefs to cloud his professional judgment and SHOULD have been disciplined. Vindman's testimony was used as context by Democrats for Trump's sham impeachment. Note that Trump was accused of wrongdoing but never convicted of an impeachable criminal offense.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/read-full-transcript-trump-s-conversation-ukraine-s-president-n1058581

Having read the conversation, I don't think Trump said anything untoward to Zelensky about trying to get answers related to the Crowdstrike server which was in Ukraine's possession, nor was Trump out of line for requesting information related to Biden getting the lead prosecutor fired who was investigating his son Hunter for his involvement in Ukrainian government corruption. Ukraine was a hotbed of corruption... and many Western countries were taking advantage.

If there was any abuse of power, it was Biden using his power to threaten to withhold aid money to Ukraine and shut down a Ukrainian investigation into Hunter's involvement in Ukrainian government corruption.

I think Trump's interest in getting to the bottom of the corruption in Ukraine was legitimate. Biden claims his son did nothing wrong. Joe Biden abused his powers as VP and was laundering millions from the billions in aid money that our country had given to Ukraine. Emails taken from Hunter's laptop revealed that Joe Biden (the Big Man) was in on it and lied to investigators about his knowledge of his son's sketchy business dealings.

America rejected Hillary (because she has a well-established reputation for being corrupt) and elected Trump because he promised he would fight corruption in government and hold government agencies accountable for their fraud, waste, and abuse. Trump said he would Drain the Swamp and was simply following through on that promise. The Democrats went after Trump because he was exposing their incompetence and corruption and they didn't like it.
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This dirtbag betrayed his uniform and oath. He put the military front and center of a partisan political fight. An NCO would have immediately had their career and retirement ruined. Yet the Army will allow him to honorably retire after destroying public faith in our institution.
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