Posted on Mar 6, 2014
SFC Seth King
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Leaders,

I conducted a barracks inspection today. One of my Soldiers, not white, had a modified rebel flag hanging in his room. On it was an eagle and written "these colors don't run".
While common sense to some says this probably shouldn't be there, is there anything that specifically says yes or no. AR 600-15, para 2-4 says a commander can have certain flags and etc removed to maintain good order and discipline.
Who or what determines that this is a violation. What may be offensive to some may not be to others, religion, heritage, etc. Your thoughts?
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SPC Christopher Smith
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I have a "Rebel" flag tattooed upon my right shoulder. I know the history and meaning of my flag. Although history was written by the victor, the South has a strong and proud history. If someone has an issue with a symbol that is a strong part of our cultural and military history they should crack open a book.
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CPL Henry Miller
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Is "YOUR" cultural and military history correct? Prove it or remove it.
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SPC Kent Laughlin
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MAJ Dennis Foote - try looking at the whole picture for once. Slavery was a horrible institution that was an outgrowth of man's history of what to do with the spoils of war. Africans did it to themselves for over 200 years BEFORE the first shipload was picked up by Europeans and then sailed to EUROPE. In some places in the middle east it is still practiced. The Irish were sold into slavery in the USA, but it was conveniently labeled as servitude thus the uneducated think only black folk attacked and subdued by other black folks were the victims of slavery AND that slavery only existed in the USA, when in fact it was outlawed after a long battle was waged in the USA to include 4 bitter and bloody years with families and countrymen murdering each other in the name of human fairness.. The politicians of the time talked the problem to death then finally one man had the courage and conviction to place an important document into the fray.. The Emancipation Proclamation was a statement from the highest most important political position for that special document to be given birth. President Lincoln threw caution to the wind as he would soon be facing another election and this was thought to have been his suicidal move against the states wanting slavery to continue.. Well we know the history and since that time the cloud of Jim Crow was a lasting population shaper until it was slowly removed. I saw the dying embers in our city of Tulsa, but soon even those public remnants were removed. The South is history and slavery was/is not the only thing of history remaining. The battle flag of the confederacy is just that, an army identifier NOT A SYMBOL OF SLAVERY. What we are seeing everyday with the population infighting is what will tear this country apart and the videos will soon show the moment of push back.
Time to get past 1861 ...
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GySgt William Hardy
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MAJ Dennis Foote - Are you serious? Check your history. Slavery existed in the North as well as in the South. Blacks enslaved other Blacks. Personally, I have no connection to the various Confederate flags since all of my Southern relatives joined the Union Army. With that aside, I get a bit upset with the "high and mighty" attitudes of some people. Here's a fact you should think about. The Democratic Party was created to support Andrew Jackson. Andrew Jackson was a slave owner and the history of The Age of Jackson is full of his defiance of Congress. The Democratic Party is the party of slavery during the Civil War and during Reconstruction and beyond. The Republican Party was created to support Abe Lincoln and was dedicated to abolishing slavery. Follow the actions of both parties over the next 150 years. It was the Democrats who supported Jim Crow and segregation. It was the Democrats who tried to block the right to vote by coming up with things like poll taxes and literacy tests. It was the Democrats who came up with the welfare system. Since they were failing to keep segregation alive, they bought Black votes and changed the Black Republican voters into Democratic voters and they are still being bought; however, many Blacks have studied and now things are beginning to change.

And you left-wing Democrats are worried about a flag? How weak your arguments must be. You are the same people trying to interfere in the coming election by claiming all sorts of thing and dragging Trump into court while at the same time trying to cover up the fact that Clinton had done the same thing. You have attacked so many things but the results were not what you expected. What is wrong with having Aunt Jemima on products. It should be a celebration of the success of a Black woman. You do know she is real and a couple of movies have told her story. You remove statues as if you can bury the past.

I am totally on the other side of your arguments.
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MAJ Dennis Foote
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GySgt William Hardy Everything you wrote is accurate.
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SSG Gerhard S.
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Just a few thoughts. First of all, Sgt Newman is correct, and SSG Woods makes the salient point that the American flag has some stains of the same color on it as well.

Secondly, what should be done if a soldier of Japanese descent displayed a Japanese flag in their room. After all we fought a war with the (then) racist Japanese as well. I can't tell you how many times I have seen Puerto Rican flags hanging in barracks rooms as well. Where should the line be drawn? How do the French feel about a Cinco de Mayo celebration when it celebrates the defeat of their forces?

The point is, the things that can potentially offend someone are legion. It is important to note that inanimate objects are not, of, and in, themselves "offensive". To be offensive, someone has to CHOOSE to be offended.

I understand I'm not citing any regulations so I'm not answering the original question, and I DO believe that the line has to be drawn.... I would draw that line closer to the Nazi flag than to the flag known as the Stars and Bars, or which Sgt Newman accurately pointed out, is known as the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia.
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SSG Gerhard S.
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SSG Elyzabeth Cromer thank you for your service, and for sharing your perspectives on this issue. Your points are well received, but I'd like to point out that the flag of Imperial Japan has not changed since well before WWII. It's literally the same national flag.

Regarding PR, I wasn't attempting to denigrate PR in any way. Please read one, or more of my explanations regarding PR. Suffice to say, you are correct in saying PR is a US Territory, and though you attempt to equate it as a State, it is not. In fact PR repeatedly votes against Statehood, while enjoying the benefits, and protections of US citizenship, but not having to pay US Federal income taxes. Again, no criticism intended. Most of us would take that deal if we could.
Respectful regards.
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SPC Matt Ovaska
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Finally someone with wisdom. Thank you!
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SSG Gerhard S.
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SFC (Join to see) thank you for sharing.
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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The Confederate flag offends some because of what it represents. Ok that's fair.

Let's not forget the reprehensible and atrocious things that happened in this country under the USA flag (child labor, Japanese concentration camps, segregation).

I'm just pointing out there is a much larger picture here.
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LTC Jorge Cordero
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SPC Matt Ovaska - There is a big difference between mowing lawns of shoveling snow than working in a textile mill for 16 hours as a 9 year old.
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SPC Matt Ovaska
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I'm sorry, you worked in a textile mill for 16 hrs. a day. Those mills are very noisy. At 9 yrs old, you couldn't possibly reach the spools...
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SPC Stiv ChenRobbins
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SP5 Wick Humble - You are probably right, when the illegal immigrants brought their children with them or sent them here alone, we should just have, I don't know, locked up the parents and left the kids out on the street? I am sure there would be a line of people looking to take them home and use them, much like the Cartels do now. And there is always a demand for child sex workers, so you keep on blowing that horn.
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SP5 Wick Humble
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Stiv: sarcasm don't solve the problem.
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