DA Pam 670-1
DA Pam 670-1
Posted on Aug 1, 2018
Can a CO make a company wear eye protection all day to prove a point?
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Our CO caught a soldier not wearing eye protection during a land navigation exercise. He decided to make the entire company wear eyepro yo prove a point. Is this necessary? Why not punish the individual soldier?
DA Pam 670-1
Discipline
Training
Posted 6 y ago
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Yup. Valid.
Rather than speak to the obvious method of mass reinforcement, where was this soldier’s battle? Where was the squad ldr, platoon sgt, platoon cc, other NCOs, etc? It seems that eyepro was required equipment for that exercise, and someone showed up without required equipment. Seems an appropriate response.
Now would this be appropriate in a civilian setting? No. But it’s the military and has different methods. Frankly, I think the “punishment” was rather benign and thus, perfect. I never understood push-ups as punishment for everything. Let the punishment meet the crime.
Rather than speak to the obvious method of mass reinforcement, where was this soldier’s battle? Where was the squad ldr, platoon sgt, platoon cc, other NCOs, etc? It seems that eyepro was required equipment for that exercise, and someone showed up without required equipment. Seems an appropriate response.
Now would this be appropriate in a civilian setting? No. But it’s the military and has different methods. Frankly, I think the “punishment” was rather benign and thus, perfect. I never understood push-ups as punishment for everything. Let the punishment meet the crime.
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SPC Clayton Ellzey
I have experienced this type of punishment for failure to do cold weather starts. It's was no joke and Plt Sgt made his point.
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MAJ Christian Levy
Right on. If multiple layers of leadership fails, than this type of corrective training seems appropriate.
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Maj John Bell
SGT Tony Clifford - On night land nav a marine or Soldier could easily walk into a branch spike that could do some serious eye damage.
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SGT Tony Clifford - what’s the purpose? Respectfully, possibly getting into that habit of training as you fight?
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Kind of surprised to see a SGT ask the title question. Is the order unlawful? If not, then yes he can. Should he? That's another discussion, but I think great leaders would frown at the practice.
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LTC Jason Mackay
SPC Walter Currier and SSgt Joseph Baptist towing dead tracks to the field in the OPFOR was done out of necessity. We had to achieve a certain CBI, which called for a certain number of people, tanks, IFVs etc. nearly everything rolled. When I was there we also had a non doctrinal 5th Maneuver element to follow the trail MRB. Commanded by an HHT, it was people out of HQs and the RSA on boneyard tracks.
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LTC Jason Mackay
SPC Walter Currier - our recovery operators in the OPFOR were a T -trained on those collective and crew/individual tasks. In reality, worn out. The Armored Vehicle of the Regiment was the visually modified M551. 11th ACR was the last unit in the Army to operate the M551, without any enduring Army strategic level support. As a result they were tired and broke. Our recovery operators were constantly on a recovery or evac mission.
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PO1 Donald Hammond
SPC Walter Currier - This made me think of when Mike Rowe went out and helped the recovery team pull big ass trucks out of mud etc.
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