Posted on Nov 2, 2015
Cpl Dave D
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Does our Oath ever expire? Our we still held to it after the military? What if an amendment were added to removed from the Constitution? Would you be required to uphold your original oath? I don't forsee this happening any time soon. It's just 3 am and I can't sleep.....
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CPT Jack Durish
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Cpl Dave D I can relate to your dilemma. I have many blog postings written at "Oh-dark-thirty". The frequency is increasing as we drop deeper into the abyss of progressive interpretations of our Constitution and their shenanigans. So, let's answer your question and get you back to bed so that you can catch up on your beauty sleep.

Your Oath of Enlistment or Commissioning is not enforceable in and of itself. (Can you imagine what would happen if politicians could be held accountable to their oaths which have similiar declarations?) It is merely a declaration that you voluntarily submit yourself to the provisions of the UCMJ so long as you serve. Technically, you remain obligated to that service until discharged.

Morally and ethically, many veterans consider themselves bound by their promise to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, for life. However, that is a personal choice, an honorable choice, the choice of a citizen who recognizes that America is not defined by a land mass, but rather by principles codified in the Constitution. We may pledge allegiance to symbols of the Republic, but in actuality, without the Constitution and dedicated observance of it, there is no nation. It seems that service members and veterans understand this better than most. Sadly, the sum total of those who serve or have served is a scant minority of the nation and the proportion of those who have not learned these same lessons are growing exponentially with every passing generation.
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SGT Lisa Turner
SGT Lisa Turner
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PO3 David Burkett UCMJ only applies if I'm on duty. The part about the oath and my duties in regards to the Constitution never expire.
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As an American Citizen (the sovereign of the nation), you have a duty to protect and defend the Constitution. Not just active service or veterans. Immigrants take a similar oath when applying to become citizens of the US. Most people just are never put in the position of being required to say it out loud. But if you are a citizen of the USA, then you are responsible for protecting and defending it. That is the responsibility of having the freedom that being the sovereign of this country grants. If you are a citizen and do not protect and defend (or at least abide by it), you are an enemy of the nation.
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HN Connie DÂûgherty
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SGT Lisa Turner

Agreed. Granted, once we take our discharge, we no longer have officers appointed over us, and thus are no longer bound to THAT segment, but, there is no other language within our oath that gives a date upon which we are released from our obligation to support and defend the Constitution from ALL enemies foreign and domestic.
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CPT Jack Durish
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SGT Lisa Turner - I would love to sit down and have a beer with you and just listen to you talk. I suspect that it would be a wonderful adventure akin to Alice's Looking Glass World. Your comment in this class reflects my own and yet it is a kind of backwards reflection. Stay safe. These are dangerous times...
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Capt Seid Waddell
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Our oaths never expire.
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LCpl Earl Schnepp
LCpl Earl Schnepp
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The constitution is the reason this country is so great. Even with our flause we are still free. The oath I took at 17 is still the oath I will defend. Nowhere in that oath did it say until your discharged. Family, God, and country. All worth giving my life for. Semper Fi
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A1C S.T. Hege
A1C S.T. Hege
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I don't remember my oath having a time limit, now my wedding oath had that death till we part thingy in it. I feel like to defend this great nation and to honor those who have died for the freedoms we have today I will gladly step up and do my part to defend this nation.
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HN Connie DÂûgherty
HN Connie DÂûgherty
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Sgt John Dolan Legally, you are correct.

Morally, ethically, and for those of us who believe in it, biblically we are bound to our oath so long as we live because there was no date given upon which it ends.

Officially, we no longer have officers appointed over us, and therefore we no longer fall under this requirement nor are subject to the regulations/jurisdiction of the UCMJ. But we are, again, morally and ethically bound to our oath regarding the protection and support of the Constitution.
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Sgt John Dolan
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HN Connie DÂûgherty - legalities supersede morality. Officially, legally, morally, or ethically, we are under no obligation to honor an expired oath.
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Cpl Dave D
Technically it expires once our enlistments/commissions are up. BUT, as Capt Seid Waddell says, our Oath never expires. It is our duty to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC.
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Sgt Robin O'Connell
Sgt Robin O'Connell
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When you are married and decide to renew your vows... does that mean your no longer married unless you redo the vows? I think not. The oath is a custom on enlistment/re-enlistment to remind you of your oath first taken.
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Sgt John Dolan
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Sgt Robin O'Connell - if you didn’t renew your vows you’d still be married but if you didn’t re-enlist and swear an oath again your enlistment would end when your contract did. Taking the oath again upon re-enlistment is a requirement and not a custom to remind you of the oath you first took. Is someone going to come around every four years or so once you’re out to remind you of the oath you first took? No, of country not.
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SSgt Ted Welch
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Sgt John Dolan - Careful with absolutes, I re-enlisted without needing to retake the oath. It was just a paperwork event. I figure you are good once you have taken the oath, no need to reaffirm it and it does not expire in ethical terms.
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Sgt John Dolan
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The contract we sign binds us to our oath not ethics, and that contract we sign and the oath we took both expire when the contract does. You can figure and pretend but legally it ends, that doesn’t mean you, personally, can’t still adhere to it if you so choose but you aren’t legally bound to.
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