Surveillance
Surveillance
Posted on Jun 10, 2023
Do you believe that "Radicalized Military Vets" are a true threat to the Nation?
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So, this is from the Daily Beast, and it infers that military veterans must be monitored. It brings up "the present and historical ties between American hate groups and armed servicemen and women....".
My own belief is that, because Veterans, Evangelical Christians, conservative Catholics, and mothers disagreeing with school boards tend to not vote the way that the staff of the Daily Beast would like, then they should be rounded up like the Gypsies and Jews in Germany in 1939 (too much of a threat to the New Order).
It seems that this article would classify George Washington as a "Radicalized Military Vet".
So, how do you see it?
Here is the full article:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/against-all-enemies-review-the-chilling-threat-of-radicalized-military-vets
My own belief is that, because Veterans, Evangelical Christians, conservative Catholics, and mothers disagreeing with school boards tend to not vote the way that the staff of the Daily Beast would like, then they should be rounded up like the Gypsies and Jews in Germany in 1939 (too much of a threat to the New Order).
It seems that this article would classify George Washington as a "Radicalized Military Vet".
So, how do you see it?
Here is the full article:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/against-all-enemies-review-the-chilling-threat-of-radicalized-military-vets
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Surveillance
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I'll believe a respectable organization like RAND before I believe the portrayal by the far-left Daily Beast, even if there is a slight possibility that there might be some truth to it.
I willingly grant the premise the documentary writer makes that far-right extremists will try to recruit from the military, but I completely reject the notion that the military is full of far-right extremists or that they have a 'significant foothold' in it.
A recent RAND study (https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA1071-2.html) showed that there was no evidence to support the notion that the veteran community, as a whole, manifests higher rates of support for violent extremist groups or extremist beliefs than the American public.
In fact, since White supremacists were mentioned, you were five and a half times more likely to find far-left extremist support (Anfita) than you were for White supremacists (5.5% vs 1%), both which is far less than the rest of the population (7% of nonveterans support White supremacy and 10% of nonveterans support Antifa).
As the study says, "Vets on average seem to be very resilient to those efforts. And so I think that some of the characteristics that draw you to serve your country will help protect against forces that would undermine your country"
So yes, while I expect the left to lap up some documentary stating the bias beliefs (at least for Goldsmith) of those he interviewed, I'll stick with something more reputable.
But, But, But ... UMC did a study and found that almost 1 in 7 of the people from Jan 6th were veterans! Ok, Chicago police arrest stats show that 70% of the BLM rioters that were arrested for looting, arson, and violence between 29 and 31 May were black. Raise the alarm! Of course that is as non-sensical as someone picking the veteran stat out of the mix and saying it proves that veterans are predisposed towards extremism.
I willingly grant the premise the documentary writer makes that far-right extremists will try to recruit from the military, but I completely reject the notion that the military is full of far-right extremists or that they have a 'significant foothold' in it.
A recent RAND study (https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA1071-2.html) showed that there was no evidence to support the notion that the veteran community, as a whole, manifests higher rates of support for violent extremist groups or extremist beliefs than the American public.
In fact, since White supremacists were mentioned, you were five and a half times more likely to find far-left extremist support (Anfita) than you were for White supremacists (5.5% vs 1%), both which is far less than the rest of the population (7% of nonveterans support White supremacy and 10% of nonveterans support Antifa).
As the study says, "Vets on average seem to be very resilient to those efforts. And so I think that some of the characteristics that draw you to serve your country will help protect against forces that would undermine your country"
So yes, while I expect the left to lap up some documentary stating the bias beliefs (at least for Goldsmith) of those he interviewed, I'll stick with something more reputable.
But, But, But ... UMC did a study and found that almost 1 in 7 of the people from Jan 6th were veterans! Ok, Chicago police arrest stats show that 70% of the BLM rioters that were arrested for looting, arson, and violence between 29 and 31 May were black. Raise the alarm! Of course that is as non-sensical as someone picking the veteran stat out of the mix and saying it proves that veterans are predisposed towards extremism.
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COL Randall C.
SPC Mark Marquette PO2 Tom Hauser SGT James Hunsinger - Comments violating community standards have been removed.
Keep it respectful. As a reminder, you can advocate for your position forcefully and demean the other's position as much as you like. However, personal attacks and/or vulgarity violating standards are not allowed.
If you need a refresher of what the primary Community Standards for discourse between RP Members is, you can read them at https://rallypoint.my.site.com/Support/s/article/enforcement-of-rallypoint-community-standards-2020-03-13-10-21-35 and https://rallypoint.my.site.com/Support/s/article/rallypoint-answers-and-discussion-conduct-2020-03-13-10-21-35
Keep it respectful. As a reminder, you can advocate for your position forcefully and demean the other's position as much as you like. However, personal attacks and/or vulgarity violating standards are not allowed.
If you need a refresher of what the primary Community Standards for discourse between RP Members is, you can read them at https://rallypoint.my.site.com/Support/s/article/enforcement-of-rallypoint-community-standards-2020-03-13-10-21-35 and https://rallypoint.my.site.com/Support/s/article/rallypoint-answers-and-discussion-conduct-2020-03-13-10-21-35
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SGT James Hunsinger
COL Randall C. - That's fine. I blocked Marquette a week ago when I realized all he could do was insult. I do not appreciate the posts I made that did not violate the terms as stated being removed.
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SPC Kent Laughlin
SGT James Hunsinger - considering his comments and a few others that I have seen I am thinking the the young vets are no different than the whinners that once populated twatter before Elon took over, some are still there.. They do not believe in the fact that communists are still in play and there are millions up millions of them or folks living next to them and agreeing with their dogma and actions.. These youngsters are probably more like the chinee children that were born in the 50s and 60s when mao changed his approach to indoctrination. Old maohole moved in on the children.. see how easy it was... within a short few years a lot of chinese citizens consider themselves communist... that would have never happened with mao still going after the adults... after all it was adults who went up against the chink commies in Tiananmen Square and it was probably adults that mao and his trash murdered ... estimated that mao and his murderers took out 70 million ethnic Chinese in an effort to gain the foothold on the top chair of government... Then they started to do the capitalist thing and I have to go back to sources to locate when and how, but they have let folks build businesses (sic) and own property..
I probably do not need to be in communication of that ilk, but I did not see them early on when I first joined RP, may be time to unjoin, roger ??
I probably do not need to be in communication of that ilk, but I did not see them early on when I first joined RP, may be time to unjoin, roger ??
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SPC Max Waller
Sergeant First Class/E-7 John Davis along with others who believe in all kinds of ideologies can learn from actively reading to possibly reply with vetted sources: thoroughly examine the works of combat military veterans: Smedley Darlington Butler (1881 - 1940) who was a 2 time recipient of the Congressional Medal Of Honor, and Howard Zinn (1920 - 2010), and Ron Kovic (Thursday, 4 July 1946 - still living) famous for Born On The Fourth Of July, and Oliver Stone (1946 - still living) to understand how every current nation with non-existing countries that is how ordinary people become enemies of those who are blatant bold faced pathological liars that is the ongoing evil side of humanity before documented history including verbal history - 12:05 am Pacific DayLight Savings Time on Monday, 8 April 2024 on a leap year
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That's the sort of thing you see when one reads trash. Pay no attention to it. MHO
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SPC Kent Laughlin
John, appreciate the heads up. I had a response going when I took a moment away on a distraction. I reread and decided that speaking my mind would probably hurt someone somewhere. Have a great day
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SPC Kent Laughlin - Hi Kent. Who we are and what we say, our opinions, are always going to "hurt" someone even when we are very diplomatic in the way we present ourselves and in the diplomatic way we word our opinions. This is just the way the world is and how humans interact with one another. Please express yourself, remembering that one person's critical or negative opinion of us can be ignored but we need to take note when several persons' critical or negative opinions of us are being expressed. If we don't express our opinions, at the end of life we will tend to say that we wished we'd been more assertive and more open and vulnerable with our opinions.
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PO1 Robert Ryan
Drill Sergeant SSG Phillip MAI Fort Jackson South Carolina March 1967 " Opinions are like butt holes everyone has one and they all stink". So I keep my opinions to myself.
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MSG Lonnie Averkamp short answer is no. there are screw ups on both sides of the political spectrum and a few in between but to call a whole group radical is ridiculous
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SPC Mark Marquette
SPC Henry Strong - It's a very old song: "The youth of today..." Even ancient Rome people complained about it. (Plenty of refs for that). And, the "rats" have ALWAYS been "in office", The "job" attracts them! "Power corrupts" is being shown, now to be mostly wrong: Power ATTRACTS those already corrupt & power hungry.
Yes, clean up our own messes; but it is bound to fail with the immense divide, hate, blame, lack of taking responsibility for your own side here, too.
Yes, clean up our own messes; but it is bound to fail with the immense divide, hate, blame, lack of taking responsibility for your own side here, too.
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SPC Henry Strong
I agree but we need to start some where. I have seen how other countries look at us from there side and how I as an American see us now. This just blows my mind away.
I will not travel out side the US anymore because I am ashamed of what our government is doing to all of us and even to our friends and allies around the world.
I am tired of all the lies they say and all the false reporting going on.
We really need to start getting our lives in order because life is short and we do not have much time left.
I will not travel out side the US anymore because I am ashamed of what our government is doing to all of us and even to our friends and allies around the world.
I am tired of all the lies they say and all the false reporting going on.
We really need to start getting our lives in order because life is short and we do not have much time left.
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SPC Henry Strong
Spc Mark Marquette: I am not saying that it was the last few presidents that are at fault nor am I pointing any fingers at anyone in our government. All I am saying is that we currently need to have term limits in place to rid the government of the old blood and put new fresh blood in to get us a fresh start. I am a strong Republican who only votes republican and I am proud to say this my family has been voting republican for several years. I don't like seeing that all of our hard work of our fellow service brothers and sisters who gave the ultimate price for our safety and security of this great nation go un appreciated and disrespected by some old cronies in the government. This is what I making refferance to.
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SSgt Mary Dungan
If anyone is radical. it is the right. they have systematically started dismantling this country ever since the Tea Party, but much more with MAGA cult members. Not saying everyone on the left is perfect, but there not trying to destroy democracy or tying to pit left against right. i remember back to when we could actually agree to disagree. That day is long past thanks to MAGA and Trump.
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