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16th amendment
Widely disputed amendment allowing congress to levy taxes. It has definitely played a role, more recently in taxing those [infidels] who did not sign up for Obamacare. Are you for or against this or other constitutional revisions?
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Lt Col Sexual Assault Prevention & Response Program Manager
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The problem with the 16th amendment is that it somewhat nullifies the 10th amendment. Fiscal federalism then becomes more potent than true federalism. As a result, national defense and foreign policy get lumped in with other interests, and loses their priority and importance.
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SSG Gerhard S.
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@Lt Col Erika Cashin, Great point. Every Federal over-reach that goes unchallenged is a detriment to the foundations of the Constitution and allows the Central government to be less restrained in it's actions than designed. The Federal government funded itself with Excise taxes up until 1913. The Question is NOT "how do we fund the Government at it's current level?" But rather "How easy will it be to fund a government that is HELD to it's Constitutional Limits?"
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Lt Col Sexual Assault Prevention & Response Program Manager
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It's funny...after the recent mid-term election, a congressman said "we need to find a way to send more money back to the states." In reality, the process of sending it up, then sending it back down, totally dilutes it (time, man hours, etc.). The point should actually be to leave it in the city, county, state to begin with, so they can use it according to their specific need.

*All personal editorial of course
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SSG Gerhard S.
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Exactly, not only does such action dilute the funds, it has Federal strings attached on its way back down that robs the States of their power.
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I'm a huge supporter of the 10th Amendment, get the Feds out of everything except National Defense and interstate commerce where they belong.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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Then who would fund the Congressional pension fund? I know, put in the stock market like all our 401Ks.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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MSgt Allan Folsom, funny, that's what I keep saying about my own 401K
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SSG Gerhard S.
SSG Gerhard S.
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The Question is NOT "how do we fund the Government at it's current level?" But rather "How easy will it be to fund a government that is HELD to it's Constitutional Limits?"
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CPT Zachary Brooks
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I personally would love to see either a flat tax system (and government cuts to deal with that) or some manner of taxation where the states pay a percentage by their population, but the populace only pays state taxes to those states they live in. Also possibly a flat tax.

This would give the states power again, if the federal powers attempt to seize too much power, the states that disagree or are harmed can hold back the tax money at the state level.
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SSG Gerhard S.
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All taxes are the same, and only on NEW purchases. (No taxes for used cars, clothing, etc.) BUT, All taxes are returned to EACH citizen on a monthly basis (they call this a "Prebate") on the sales taxes would have been spent up to the Poverty level. Meaning that those making below the poverty limit pay NO taxes.
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SSG Gerhard S.
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So, a Family of 4 would receive 23% of the Federal poverty level of 23,850 meaning they would get a monthly "Prebate" check of approx 457.00 per month.

For this reason, the Fair-tax encourages LEGAL immigration because illegals would NOT get the benefit of the Prebate, and would pay the entire 23%.
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CPT Zachary Brooks
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Also good to hear. Would this also work to remove/modify programs such as welfare, unemployment, etc as subsidies to people's incomes?
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SSG Gerhard S.
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Unfortunately, the Fairtax does NOT address spending. That is the purview of Congress. So there are no provisions in the Bill regarding Welfare, (corporate or individual), unemployment etc. Although it is important to note that eliminating the Income tax, including the 35% Corporate income tax should go a long way to spur business in the Country, as well as the migration to the US of businesses from other countries.
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